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03/31/22 09:20 PM #24107    

 

Jerry May


04/01/22 05:59 AM #24108    

 

David Cordell

Seeing that doctored photo brings home the big question: how does anyone become so evil that he morphs into a mega-muderer? (Note pronoun.)


04/01/22 09:09 AM #24109    

 

Lowell Tuttle

Anyone catch Hardtalk on the BBC?   Saw two interviews (parts)  one was with a member of Russia's State Duma and the other with EU commissioner...

Some very tough questions asked both.   

The Russian press Duma member had a different perspective...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/n13xtmdc


04/01/22 12:53 PM #24110    

 

Lowell Tuttle

Modern guerilla warfare makes me think of how we would defend other NATO countries from invasions...

more important than anything. We’re fighting for the lives of our families, for our people, and for our homes. The Russians don’t have any of that, and there’s nowhere they can go to get it.   


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/american-volunteer-foreign-fighters-ukraine-russia-war/627604/
 

Ukraine’s Three-to-One Advantage

It’s not technology or tactics that has given Ukrainian fighters their greatest edge.

Elliot AckermanMarch 24, 2022

A few nights ago in Lviv, after an early dinner (restaurants shut at 8 p.m. because of curfew), I stepped into the elevator of my hotel. I was chatting with a colleague when a man in early middle age, dressed and equipped like a backpacker, thrust his hand into the closing door. “You guys American?” he asked. I told him we were, and as he reached for the elevator button, I couldn’t help but notice his dirty hands and the half-moons of filth beneath each fingernail. I also noticed his fleece. It had an eagle, a globe, and an anchor embossed on its left breast. “You a Marine?” I asked. He said he was (or had been—once a Marine, always a Marine), and I told him that I’d served in the Marines too.

He introduced himself (he’s asked that I not use his name, so let’s just call him Jed), and we did a quick swap of bona fides, exchanging the names of the units in which we’d both served as infantrymen a decade ago. Jed asked if I knew where he could get a cup of coffee, or at least a cup of tea. He had, after a 10-hour journey, only just arrived from Kyiv. He was tired and cold, and everything was closed.

A little cajoling persuaded the hotel restaurant to boil Jed a pot of water and hand him a few tea bags. When I wished him a good night, he asked if I wanted some tea too. The way he asked—like a kid pleading for a last story before bed—persuaded me to stay a little while longer. He wanted someone to talk with.

As Jed sat across from me in the empty restaurant, with his shoulders hunched forward over the table and his palms cupped around the tea, he explained that since arriving in Ukraine at the end of February, he had been fighting as a volunteer along with a dozen other foreigners outside Kyiv. The past three weeks had marked him. When I asked how he was holding up, he said the combat had been more intense than anything he’d witnessed in Afghanistan. He seemed conflicted, as if he wanted to talk about this experience, but not in terms that could turn emotional. Perhaps to guard against this, he began to discuss the technical aspects of what he’d seen, explaining in granular detail how the outmanned, outgunned Ukrainian military had fought the Russians to a standstill.

First, Jed wanted to discuss anti-armor weapons, particularly the American-made Javelin and the British-made NLAW. The past month of fighting had demonstrated that the balance of lethality had shifted away from armor, and toward anti-armor weapons. Even the most advanced armor systems, such as the Russian T-90 series main battle tank, had proved vulnerable, their charred husks littering Ukrainian roadways.

When I mentioned to Jed that I’d fought in Fallujah in 2004, he said that the tactics the Marine Corps used to take that city would never work today in Ukraine. In Fallujah, our infantry worked in close coordination with our premier tank, the M1A2 Abrams. On several occasions, I watched our tanks take direct hits from rocket-propelled grenades (typically older-generation RPG-7s) without so much as a stutter in their forward progress. Today, a Ukrainian defending Kyiv or any other city, armed with a Javelin or an NLAW, would destroy a similarly capable tank.

If the costly main battle tank is the archetypal platform of an army (as is the case for Russia and NATO), then the archetypal platform of a navy (particularly America’s Navy) is the ultra-costly capital ship, such as an aircraft carrier. Just as modern anti-tank weapons have turned the tide for the outnumbered Ukrainian army, the latest generation of anti-ship missiles (both shore- and sea-based) could in the future—say, in a place like the South China Sea or the Strait of Hormuz—turn the tide for a seemingly outmatched navy. Since February 24, the Ukrainian military has convincingly displayed the superiority of an anti-platform-centric method of warfare. Or, as Jed put it, “In Afghanistan, I used to feel jealous of those tankers, buttoned up in all that armor. Not anymore.”

This brought Jed to the second subject he wanted to discuss: Russian tactics and doctrine. He said he had spent much of the past few weeks in the trenches northwest of Kyiv. “The Russians have no imagination,” he said. “They would shell our positions, attack in large formations, and when their assaults failed, do it all over again. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians would raid the Russian lines in small groups night after night, wearing them down.” Jed’s observation echoed a conversation I’d had the day before with Andriy Zagorodnyuk. After Russia’s invasion of the Donbas in 2014, Zagorodnyuk oversaw a number of reforms to the Ukrainian military that are now bearing fruit, chief among them changes in Ukraine’s military doctrine; then, from 2019 to 2020, he served as minister of defense.

Russian doctrine relies on centralized command and control, while mission-style command and control—as the name suggests—relies on the individual initiative of every soldier, from the private to the general, not only to understand the mission but then to use their initiative to adapt to the exigencies of a chaotic and ever-changing battlefield in order to accomplish that mission. Although the Russian military has modernized under Vladimir Putin, it has never embraced the decentralized mission-style command-and-control structure that is the hallmark of NATO militaries, and that the Ukrainians have since adopted.

“The Russians don’t empower their soldiers,” Zagorodnyuk explained. “They tell their soldiers to go from Point A to Point B, and only when they get to Point B will they be told where to go next, and junior soldiers are rarely told the reason they are performing any task. This centralized command and control can work, but only when events go according to plan. When the plan doesn’t hold together, their centralized method collapses. No one can adapt, and you get things like 40-mile-long traffic jams outside Kyiv.”

The individual Russian soldier’s lack of knowledge corresponded with a story Jed told me, one that drove home the consequences of this lack of knowledge on the part of individual Russian soldiers. During a failed night assault on his trench, a group of Russian soldiers got lost in the nearby woods. “Eventually, they started calling out,” he said. “I couldn’t help it; I felt bad. They had no idea where to go.”

When I asked what happened to them, he returned a grim look.

Instead of recounting that part of the story, he described the advantage Ukrainians enjoy in night-vision technology. When I told him I’d heard the Ukrainians didn’t have many sets of night-vision goggles, he said that was true, and that they did need more. “But we’ve got Javelins. Everyone’s talking about the Javelins as an anti-tank weapon, but people forget that the Javelins also have a CLU.”

The CLU, or command launch unit, is a highly capable thermal optic that can operate independent of the missile system. In Iraq and Afghanistan, we would often carry at least one Javelin on missions, not because we expected to encounter any al-Qaeda tanks, but because the CLU was such an effective tool. We’d use it to watch road intersections and make sure no one was laying down IEDs. The Javelin has a range in excess of a mile, and the CLU is effective at that distance and beyond.

I asked Jed at what ranges they were engaging the Russians. “Typically, the Ukrainians would wait and ambush them pretty close.” When I asked how close, he answered, “Sometimes scary close.” He described one Ukrainian, a soldier he and a few other English speakers had nicknamed “Maniac” because of the risks he’d take engaging Russian armor. “Maniac was the nicest guy, totally mild-mannered. Then in a fight, the guy turned into a psycho, brave as hell. And then after a fight, he’d go right back to being this nice, mild-mannered guy.”

I wasn’t in a position to verify anything Jed told me, but he showed me a video he’d taken of himself in a trench, and based on that and details he provided about his time in the Marines, his story seemed credible. The longer we talked, the more the conversation veered away from the tangible, technical variables of Ukraine’s military capacity and toward the psychology of Ukraine’s military. Napoleon, who fought many battles in this part of the world, observed that “the moral is to the physical as three is to one.” I was thinking of this maxim as Jed and I finished our tea.

In Ukraine—at least in this first chapter of the war—Napoleon’s words have held true, proving in many ways decisive. In my earlier conversation with Zagorodnyuk, as he and I went through the many reforms and technologies that had given the Ukrainian military its edge, he was quick to point out the one variable he believed trumped all others. “Our motivation—it is the most important factor, more important than anything. We’re fighting for the lives of our families, for our people, and for our homes. The Russians don’t have any of that, and there’s nowhere they can go to get it.”  ~~~

Elliot Ackerman is a former Marine and intelligence officer who served five tours on Iraq and Afghanistan


04/02/22 12:19 AM #24111    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Lance,

I'm back home now.  One of these days I'm sure we will meet.  I'm not sure of why you want to meet one on one, but we'll see.  Anything you want to say to me, you could say in a private message, I would think.  If you want to know where I stand in my understanding of Christianity, I'm pretty much in alignment with Steve.  I'm also a work in progress, so I learn more and more each day, correcting my behavior and admiting I need help daily.

What more do you need to know from me?  Your study of the scriptures and Biblical history is far superior to what I have accomplished.  I'm not pleased to admit that, but I'm studying more now, as I realize I'm behind the curve and time is fleeting. 

 

I was interested in the curricula of your son's school.  Sounds like a great place!

How is he doing with all those interesting courses that challenge a young mind?


04/02/22 01:20 AM #24112    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Steve,

I read your post #25679 tonight, having been gone for a little while.  I too, have not said much about the gay issue, because I don't have much to add, except that I realize it is a tough problem for those who have it in their families. I only know that the Bible instructs us that a gay person is to be loved, but the sin he might choose to commit, is not acceptable.  So, it seems to me that a gay person needs to choose to be celibate.  I can imagine that that would be extremely hard to do, since we humans are driven to be intimate by nature.

I read a book that was written by a gay man, and he ultimately decided, after a lengthy time of living a sinful life with several other gay men, falling into terrible abuse of drugs, alcohol, and pornography of various sorts, that as he was about to commit suicide, he needed to again try believing in the Bible's direction.  He had been raised in his parent's protestant religion, as a child, but had rejected that Christian belief in his late teens.  His parents were very disappointed in learning of his teenaged choice, especially his father, who was a minister.  The troubled young guy decided to "run away," so to speak, not being able to cope with rejection from his father.  The gay man felt that he was hated and scorned by his family.  However, his family still loved him, they just couldn't understand the guy's lusting for other men.

It took a lot of effort and commitment to change, but he found a new happiness and peace, after a couple of years of living alone in a new apartment; a new town.  He learned to fill his life with special and varied interests, accepting the fact that he could direct his desires in appropriate ways that hurt no one.  He became an entirely new person, able to live a meaningful life.

As I understand the gay dilemma, I think the gay man in the book ultimately came to the correct solution.


04/02/22 07:52 AM #24113    

 

David Cordell

Lowell,

The Marine's description of the Russian soldiers' inability to make decisions on their own is similar to what I understand was a weakness among German soldiers in WWII. I suppose that growing up in a centralized, controlling society, as compared to a free and independent society, is not nearly as conducive to making decisions in chaotic, rapidly changing situations.

Janalu (and Steve and Lance),

At our 40th reunion, my wife Martha was in a wheelchair because of an accident. Many people approached her to talk, so many that her neck was sore the next day. In one conversation, the spouse of a classmate made a derisive comment about gays. Martha is extremely mild-mannered and non-aggressive unless her children or husband are attacked or disparaged, in which case she becomes a Mama Bear. Her response, spoken sharply, was, "It hasn't affected your family, has it!" (Note the exclamation point where a question mark should have been.) One of our female classmates who observed the exchange later told Martha, "I think we should be good friends."

I sensed that my son was gay when he was about three years old. I tried not to treat him any differently than I treated his brothers. It has been difficult for me to understand and accept his sexuality, but it is what it is. Being gay is not a choice. Of course, acting on it is. That said, it seems rather cruel to tell someone that he can never know intimacy with another human unless it is with someone he is not attracted to. It seems to me that such a standard is profoundly un-Christian.

Our church has many gay members, and we have even had two priests who were gay. Our church welcomes gay members and tries to fill their spiritual needs to bring them ever closer to God. Separately, I find gay men generally to be kinder and gentler (to borrow a phrase from George Bush) than the typical straight man, and certainly less likely to initiate physical confrontations.

If homosexual acts are sins, they are sins that harm no one. Rather, homosexuality is a condition that is ironically likely to "invite" sins -- physical or verbal abuse from people who are more judgmental and/or use the Bible to condemn and exclude people rather to bring them closer to God.

I'll end on two notes.

First, I'm pretty sure that the 10 Commandments say nothing about homosexuality.

Second, I'm pretty sure that Jesus is quoted as saying, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." True, he also said, "Go, and sin no more." But who among us has been successful at that?

I have no illusions that my words will change anyone's mind, nor are theirs likely to change mine.

 


04/02/22 10:52 AM #24114    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

David,

Well said David.  I agree completely.  


04/02/22 12:26 PM #24115    

 

Hollis Carolyn Heyn

David: Your post is an excellent response and I'm thankful for the Episcopal church and other Christian denominations that do not consider homosexuality as a sin. Before you posted I was prepared to copy and paste from the Presiding Bishop's website the theology behind this stance. And will probably still do so later.

04/02/22 01:05 PM #24116    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

David,

I totally understand your stance, and if I had a gay son or daughter, I too, would love him or her with all my heart, protecting that child as much as I could for as long as I lived.

When you and Martha asked your son to come live with you after he had been in NYC for a while, I thought that was what I, too, would have done.  Parents always, seems to me, protect their children as much as they can, no matter what.

As to what God judges, I think He evaluates each individual one on one, at the hour of death.  We have no idea of the compassionate love that God has, since we understand that His love and His forgiving grace are a zillion times more profound than our flawed, human abilities to even comprehend.

I've often thought that when the Jewish folks stand before God, there is no way that He will deny his compassion for them, and no way that they will be judged to be cast out of His heaven.  As we know, God is an immensely loving and forgiving Father who forgave King David's sins.

I agree with you that some of the sweetest and kindest people I have known in my life, are gay folks who are good neighbors and friends.  There is one particular man I know who was a wonderful colleague of mine.  He was someone I could always count on to be happy, loving, and depenable to a fault.

In our church, we accept all who come before us, if they vow to accept our tenets.  We don't ever ask about their private issues at home.  I don't know of any time that one of our members has been expelled for privacy matters, as we don't delve into that.  We expect our members to do their best to "do what Jesus exemplified."  Jesus was a man who sought to teach love and forgiveness and to obey The Ten Commandments.

My belief is that at the ultimate hour, God will look into the eyes of the individual before Him, and He will know of the love, or absense thereof, in the heart and mind of the son or daughter before Him.  He will make His decision then.


04/02/22 01:32 PM #24117    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Back in the ER once again....

Last night mom started acting extremely weak, disoriented and talking gibberish.  Took her blood pressure - 195/95.  I have some pills for that, so one was administered.  She was scared and even though her blood pressure seemed to get better, we decided at 8 pm to load her up and get back to the ER.  Her blood pressure had spiked there to 200/95.  4 hours later....UTI, which can cause high blood pressure.  Injected with antiobiotic, trip to the all night pharmacy and back home we went.  I got to bed at 2 am.  I am a bit punchy today.  Mom seems to be improving.  Still a bit weak, still mixing up some words, but better. 

We will see how the next two weeks go.  I am still a go for the granny sitter, since I hired them.  

I hope I live through all of this.  

Wayne,

I copied your post to a word document so, if I need another agency to find me a better set of options around here, I will give them a call.  

 


04/02/22 02:25 PM #24118    

 

David Cordell

Sandra, I'm sorry about your mother's persistent health issues. Have you ever spoken with classmate Debbie Mabry? I think she is experiencing some of the same issues with her mother.

This is for anyone of our age with a living parent. I'm sorry if the following offends you, but sometimes I think the physical and mental decline of a parent is God's way of preparing us for the inevitable. I have mentioned before that I flew to Dallas from Philly 25 years ago in anticipation of my father's impending death. I saw what he had become. Well there is a lot more to the story, but when I went to bed, I prayed that he would die during the night, and then I sobbed. He did die during the night.

Martha's mother was 96 when she died, and her last four years were no damn good. Martha has felt guilty that she didn't feel worse than she did when her mother died. She felt that her mother had been in the process of dying for so long and was no longer herself. In fact, Martha had made two last minute trips from Philly to Houston when it was thought that her mother was about to die. Both times her mother rallied.

It is so very stressful.

It is unlikely that Martha and I will run out of money, and she is convinced that I will outlive her. If do outlive her, and if I become a dottering old man who has run out of money, I suspect that my sons will find the cheapest old folks home in Mexico and put me on a Greyhound with paper pinned to my shirt that gives my destination and a note that says, "No known survivors."


04/02/22 04:44 PM #24119    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Lance,

I'm glad your son is doing well in his courses.  He is fortunate to have parents able to send him there, with the goal of fostering his integrity as a future man of this country.  The school is exemplary, in my estimation.  Tell him that Latin is the gateway to medical studies, so maybe he will have an interest in becoming a doctor one day.  It might spark his interest.  I can understad that it is a somewhat boring study, but it leads to better understanding of so much in the history of language and the world's development through the ages.

As for why I choose to remain private, is private.  I don't feel any obligation to meet face to face, as I have issues that are purely my own to wrestle with.  It is no reflection on anyone else; it's just me.  I don't want any person to be concerned with me in my learning of the Bible's Word, as I have a personal, I feel, relationship with the God I embrace and have come to know over the years.  He gives me constant love and answers my prayers in amazing ways, for which I am eternally grateful.  I guess I am just a very private person in many ways, that others find odd.  I think I take after my father, who was a good man, but didn't like attention drawn to himself.  My mother often said, "You are just like your Daddy!"


04/02/22 05:05 PM #24120    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

David,

I hear you.  I have had these thoughts as well.  

Last night at the ER, the doctor came in to give me "the news" on mother.  They took blood twice to check her blood levels for heart attack over an hours time.  Nada.  Blood work, normal.  EKG, normal.  CT scan of her head, neck and torso, to rule out fracture (she was in pain).  Nada.  All normal.  No clots, no brain bleeds, no fractures.  Urine revealed the UTI.  So they shot her up with a nightime dose of antibiotic and prescribed Tramadol, Tylenol, and Lidocaine patch for her back.  She wanted to stay, spend the night and relieve me.  Not happening.  She was actually looking forward to nurses, cold rooms, and lousy food.  Go figure...

She was contrite on the way home.  Less moaning, far less complaining.  Still weak.  Garbling words, this is what tipped me off to the infection.  I knew what was wrong before the doctor's did.  This morning, she could stand to go to the bathroom.  I insisted on a wash (GI type) to clean obvious parts.  Small protest, but done.  Complete hand washing and face washing to boot.  She got three good naps today.  I got one 45 minute, wake up with a headache nap.  She ate breakfast, and lunch.  Drank juice at my insistence, and drank her water as well.  I want a stiff drink, but it messes with my heart.  I need to stay sober anyway.... 

The Japanese and probably other like minded eastern cultures have a saying, the "death of a thousand swords".  Mother has called her bluff on death so many times, I probably won't recognize it when it finally does come.  She is always "about to die".  She seems, at least to me, Danny, and Aaron, that she makes an all out effort to make herself as miserble as possible.  Which puts me at times in a very awkward situation.  If I nag her, prod her and continue to tell her over and over to wash, eat and walk, she does pretty good.  However, she really resists all of that.  So I do my duty to take care of her, but bottom line, I can only do so much.  What is worse is the constant worry she does to herself.  She worries she will die, wonders why she is still sore from the fall, or why her head still has a bump on it.  She makes herself scared, and generally fearful, most of the time.  If I nag too much if affects our relationship.  I become the bad guy.  So I back off.  Hence the infection....so I am back to being the bad guy....Oye vey.

I have literally had dozens of doctors, nurses and aides tell me how remarkable she looks, how little medication she takes and how well she can move and still do things for herself.  She has zero apprecation of any of that.  To her, she is the oldest, most helpless woman in most of Texas, or probably an even wider area than that.  She feels entitled to lay around, sleep and have three meals in her room daily.

Do I want her to die?  Yes and no, if she continues to make herself miserable, certainly.  And no, what a waste of life that she could enjoy, if only she could just see that.  Then there is my conscience which drives my continuous care for her.  I love the old woman.  I must be nuts.

If I move her out to an assisted living place, or group home that  Wayne and his mother are lucky to have, then I have a new set of issues.  Daily calls with complaints of food, nurses who hate her 4 letter words, pills she does not want, cold rooms, wet pants, rough showers.....it never ends.  Then I lay awake a night and wonder what the hell the strangers are doing to her at $6,500 per month, plus.  

Mother - Catch -22.


04/03/22 09:12 AM #24121    

 

Steve Keene

Lance,

To come full circle, I would like to apologize for disparaging remarks I made to you in my address to Janalu.  Sometimes I get over zealous when standing up for myself and my friends,  Biblically I know that I should just take critIcism and disparaging remarks from you and ignore them, counting it as a blessing because I can follow in the path of Jesus who sufferred these same indignities and a servant is not above his Master.  I have prayed for you to seek and understand the scripture as the Bereans who tested and debated every scripture to see if it was of God.  I urge you to not limit your examination of scripture to discussions with members of only your faith as they only see in part.  Prayerfully seek God's truth and diligently search and He will answer when you ask and open the scripture up when you knock.  God bless you and members of every faith if it be in God's will, as those that promote Jesus are with us and not against us

 

Sandra,

I am sorry for your problems with your mother and I pray that God will ease your burden.  I know your recognize that there is something out there guiding you, and remember all good things come from God.  Someone as amazing as you should realize that something or someone took a long time in making you that way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


04/03/22 10:04 AM #24122    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Steve,

It is a new day and with it a better outlook.  Mother is much improved.  She now rests, fully clothed, bathed, smelling of Jergen's lotion, fed, and coherent.  No more garbled words or confusion.  Thanks to modern antibiotics and simple soap and warm water.  She can walk, and she let me sleep a full 8 hours.  Yes, it is my doing.  It is a profound miracle that my mother and father produced me and further to that raised me so I would eventually do this.  Consdering they were both non church going folk, I turned out quite well.  A bit of sarcasm there.....heh, heh.

I read a rather profound piece this morning by Richard Dawkins on the luckines of death.  A great short read.  I highly recommend it.


04/03/22 12:17 PM #24123    

 

Steve Keene

Sandra,

Gee I wish I had someone to pamper me like you pamper your mother. I am not a Darwin fan and I take the other side of the "Inherit the Wind" argument. I think the Natural Selection works over long periods as some genes in a pool will survive when they have random changes occur in them to the advantage of the descendents of that change. While some random mistakes in the genes provide a less successful transfer of adaptations to it's progeny, if any.  This may work on bill sizes or lengths to access nectar from a long flower. I refuse to believe as humans we were created by mistake.  It is the same argument that if you put some Random metal in your pocket that after 50,000,000 years, you look and it has become a Rolex watch.


04/03/22 02:17 PM #24124    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Steve,

You are mistaken if you think I "pamper" my mother.  Quite the contrary.  Hippocrates once said, "That which is used, develops.  That which is not used, wastes away."  Based on that premise, I encourage (stand out of the way and help as little as possible), my mother to wash herself.  Which she does.  So the bath this morning was "highly encouraged".  Bucket, wassh cloth, towel and minor assistance soon followed.  It was my idea about the lotion.  She held out her hand, I put some lotion on it.  She applied it.   As she heals, I will step out of the way more and more.  Otherwise, I would spend the entire day in her room.  She knows this, and on occasion, highly resents it.  It is what it is.  I stand firm on this.  Like she did with me when I was much, much younger.

Darwin....how the hell did he come up?  Dawkins, is not Darwin.  Perhaps you only scanned my link, rather than read it.  Richard Dawkins is not Darwin.

Since you brought up evolution, I do believe it.  And since we use evolution in agriculture, medicine, forensics, and conservation biology, that cements that belief even more.  One only has to take a short visit to the zoo, watch the monkey cage for as little as 10 minutes, and the right after that go to the local mall,  to realize just how closely related we are to them.  We are all just apes, in clothing.  We can be just as savage, smelly, self aborbed, and tender as they are.  Then there are the genes.  Between two humans there is a 0,1% difference in genes.  Between the chimp and human is 1.2%.  

Edited to add this:  I try each day to use my brain (keep it sharp - develop the brain).  I read, many topics.  I like science, history, and fiction.  I do the NYT Spelling Bee too.  I usually get to Amazing and on occasion, Genius.  Then there are crosswords, Iike them too.  


04/03/22 02:36 PM #24125    

 

David Cordell

Sandra said: Between two humans there is a 0,1% difference in genes. 

David responds: Yeah, 0.1 percent doesn't sound like very much, unless it is the difference between Marilyn Monroe and Rosey O'Donnell


04/03/22 02:44 PM #24126    

 

David Cordell

Interesting study from the CDC.

Mental Health, Suicidality, and Connectedness Among High School Students During the COVID-19 Pandemic — Adolescent Behaviors and Experiences Survey, United States, January–June 2021

 


04/03/22 03:42 PM #24127    

 

David Cordell

Today is the 40th anniversary of our late son Rob's birth. Our two surviving sons and their spouses are coming over for dinner, and we're serving Rob's childhood favorite dish - chicken spaghetti - one of Martha's mother's recipes. Then we'll have a ten-question quiz of facts about Rob. All is good.


04/03/22 03:48 PM #24128    

 

Steve Keene

Sandra,

I more than scanned the article.  I read it very carefully and picked up on the Darwininian bent of Mr. Dawkins as he discussed DNA and the accident of being born and how lucky it was.  
I must admit I whiffed swinging the bat on the pampered issue.  Again, it would be nice to have someone in my life to make me want to cleanup some days and make me walk with her and go places with her.  Alas, it is probably not to be with the incessant work and the paperwork and computer challenges that make me want to pull my hair out because of slow internet connection within 1/2 mile of I-35E.

 


04/03/22 07:11 PM #24129    

Kurt Fischer

Sandra and Steve:

Richard Dawkins is a very well known evolutionary biologist.  He is at times almost evangelistic in his critique of of the creationist position.  He is one of the most familiar faces in discussions between the evolutionist and creationist camps.  

Sandra, just as a point of information, most individuals who hold to a "young earth" viewpoint would also agree with you that we can observe changes/evolution within what they refer to as a "kind" (similar to a species, but in line with the Biblical description of animals reproducing "after their kind").  We see moths change from white to black to white based on environmental situations.  We see dogs evolve into different breeds.  We see monkeys evolve into different breeds.  But they are all still moths, dogs and monkeys.  They term this "micro-evolution".  But they differ on the notion of a continuium of evolution.  This they term "macro-evolution".  This would mean all creatures have evolved in a continuium of small or a series of massive changes (referred to as punctuated equilibrium by Stephen Jay Gould).  This is the precept of the standard evolutionary argument.   Young earth creationists would argue that we don't see this smooth/incremental system of transitional change in the evidence of nature.

I don't wish to unleash the kraken and stir an evolutionist vs. creationist debate, but thought it would be helpful to reflect on the differing beliefs and volcabulary used.

Thanks for listening.


04/03/22 07:14 PM #24130    

Kurt Fischer

By the way, I officially started back to work on Friday.  I'm now doing what I did for Fossil, but doing it for Simmons Bank.  Working for an old friend from Fossil.  I'll initially work close ot full time, but will cut back to part time down the road.  One consequence of this will be delayed responses to comments you might make on the forum.

 


04/04/22 10:33 AM #24131    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Lance,

I agree.  We wasted a bit less and recycled more 65 years ago.  Too bad we can't turn back the clock.  It will take a bit of sacrifice, hard work and change of business strategies to go back to bottle recycling, and drinking tap water, for example.  You can't drink the tap water at my house.  We use reverse osmosis to drink and cook with.  The water out of the ground contains radiated particles.  Over long term, it will give you bone cancer.  Not kidding.   How I wish I could just run the tap water and drink it without a bit of concern.  Not only is it bad for you, it is extremely expensive.  Insult to injury.

Kurt.

Young earth versus old earth.  I am an old fashioned science kinda gal.  I believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old.  I believe life evolved slowly.  I like Richard Dawkins, Charles Darwin, Steven Hawking, Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman, and numerous others.  In short, I am not a creationist.  Not even close.    I just thought Dawkin's short essay on the luckiness of death was interesting and a comforting thought.  That is all.  


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