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02/03/23 10:52 AM #27083    


Steve Keene


You don't have to be short with me.  As a Catholic on a Friday, I want you to know that ono is not a no no. Sounds a lot better than a jif sandwich.  

Chief Yahoo of the Wahoo

P.S.:  it is eleemosynary.

02/03/23 12:22 PM #27084    

Jim Bedwell

Chief Ranger Supporter (since you don't pay it forward anymore),

I also looked up chitlins, since I had heard of them forever. Here is one definition:

"Chitlins, also called chitterlings, are the large intestines of swine (hogs) but can also come from calf or veal."  YUK!!!!!

Chief Agonizer

David C,

"Groundhog Day" is one of the best movies ever made. GREAT screenplay. And I do like the way the Bill Murray character's motivations evolved over (his) "time".


Exactly. HOWEVER there was ONE AND ONLY ONE exception for agathokakological thinking and behavior - Jesus Christ.

02/03/23 12:34 PM #27085    

Jim Bedwell

After Jerry Lee Lewis died last year, since each of my parents descends from 1 of the main, but different, Lewis families originally from Wales (it's not known exactly which Lewis family that Jerry Lee and his cousins Mickey Gilley and Jimmy Swaggart are descendants of, but we all descend from the same Powell-Place marriage), I did some exploring and found that he is/was my 9th cousin, once removed. Which means that his 3rd wife (of 7), one Myra Gale Brown, is my 10th cousin since she, at 13, married her 1st cousin, once removed, Jerry Lee, then 22. She also had 2 of his kids (he had 6 total), the first at age 14, one Steve Allen Lewis (1959-62 - drowned in the family swimming pool in Memphis - I bet I know whom he was named after). Jerry Lee's 2nd divorce was not finalized when they married in December 1957 so they remarried later in the middle of 1958. Also Jerry Lee's 7th wife & widow was first married to Myra Gale Brown Lewis's brother, Rusty Brown (no known relation to our classmate Rusty Brown). And to think, none of these people (at least that I know of) ever lived in Appalachia!!! Go figure!!

02/03/23 12:45 PM #27086    


David Wier

Here's my take on the Cowboys:

Maher had 1 bad game and they're going to get rid of him.

Prescott had an entire bad season and it looks like they're going to extend his contract. I guess they want to see what the record for quarterback fumbles and interceptions can be.

BTW - from what I've heard and seen, Prescott's last 2 best seasons ties the best 2 seasons Romo had. 


02/03/23 12:51 PM #27087    

Jim Bedwell

David W,

PRECISELY!!! Plus I saw on-line that some commentator was saying that Dak never threw interceptions like he did last season. But I checked it out on and ONLY his first season in 2016 did he not have excessive interceptions per pass attempt. Not to mention all the consistently inconsistent passes where he's (usually under pressure but not always) throwing behind, above or ahead of the intended receiver. But Jerry, STUPID GM as always, is sticking with him AND head coach McCarthy. Too bad Sean Payton is the new Denver Broncos coach, as always IMHO. In Jerry's mind apparently they just have had an assistant-coach problem in the McCarthy regime.

02/03/23 12:51 PM #27088    


Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

I just heard Lt. Gen. Kellogg speak on our newscast that the "weather balloon" sent by Communist China over our air space was known about for weeks before it got to our air space, yet nothing was done by our Pentagon or Biden, to shoot it down.  Now it is over central US, and still nothing is done about it, due to Biden's assumption that it could fall on humans or human habitats.

Biden is the stupidest president we have ever had, and is also super weak in his actions.

Does anybody on this forum agree?

I can't believe what I am hearing from the Lt. General this morning, as he says that he is furious too, just like me.

He says that that balloon is known to be a surveillance balloon, travelling over some of our most important military weapons silos, and he says he thinks Biden and the Pentagon have made a foolish error by letting this balloon continue.  He says that the metal bottom on the balloon's attachment is gathering much info and immediately sending back info to China.  He indictates that this action by Biden is extremely irresponsible and allows the Chinese to gather info from deep into our ground, where our missile silos are located.

He is talking with other military officials who agree with him in his analysis.

So, does anyone here have a response?  Or should we just talk amongst ourselves about good times at Ridgemont High?

Antony Blinken has postponed his trip to China.  Blinken shows a little action, albeit rather weak.  At least, something!

Sorry to sound irritated today.  As Pelosi would say, "I'm worried about the children".........and survival of us all.  Guess I should read the funny papers and drink a stiff drink; not bother others with serious matters.


02/03/23 03:18 PM #27089    

Kurt Fischer


I was very bothered by the Chinese balloon when I heard the news.  Later yesterday I read a comment which made a lot of sense.  I've read a bunch of articles on Fox about the risk to our country, but this puts it in a bit of perspective.  Every day we have Chinese spy satellites crossing over our land.  Each satellite has equipment which can observe and record in great detail.  Based on this, the Chinese balloon doesn't present any incremental capabilities that we don't already know about and mitigate.  The balloon is a real irritant and has a public relations impact, but doesn't offer any additional spy capabilties that the Chinese don't already have.

I think this is why the Pentagon is not as bothered about it as the pundits are.

02/03/23 04:08 PM #27090    


Steve Keene


Biden is the Manchurian candidate and his claim that someone on the ground could be hurt by a shot down balloon is ludicrous.  I know that part of Montana very well and he at most would endanger the life of a prairie dog or an antelope.  If that is such a danger why are not all hot air ballons grounded?  They are heavier with thicker membrane and have heavy wicker baskets that will supportt several people.  He is getting a payoff for allowing that balloon to spy on us and the whole country knows it.

02/03/23 04:50 PM #27091    


Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Kurt and Steve,

Thanks for weighing in.  I appreciate you both.



Lt. Gen. Kellogg and a couple of others from former security positions say that they fear the Chinese are testing our president on just how much they can 'get away with' when pushing the envelope with him.  Apparently, he can be pushed a LONG way.  Every time he sits and twiddles his thumbs, they laugh at his lack of making a decision.  Many say this kind of action or inaction illustrates why they didn't push Trump around very much at all.  They actually had some fear of Trump.  Biden, to them, is a pushover; a joke of a leader.

Pompeo says "We should have shot the balloon down before it entered our air space, or, at least, over Montana, as Steve says, where there are wide open expanses."

These men also say that all the other countries are watching and noting this incident too, like, for instance, Russia and Iran.  Biden needs to develop a spine and act like China doesn't have him by the short hairs, or that they are controlling him with blackmail threats, which many of us fear.

Also, I've heard some pundits say that maybe this is a 'trial run,' before the Chinese launch some type of weapon that can explode at a high altitude with a force that could fry our electrical grid.

Every time I see Biden approach a microphone, I cringe at what aburdity he is going to utter.  Surely, he will NOT be allowed to run again.

02/03/23 06:21 PM #27092    


David Cordell

To Kurt - if the balloon doesn't add anything to satellite data, why launch it, unless it is to test the boundaries of American resolve?

To Taiwan - if sleepy Joe won't pop a Chinese balloon over our own airspace, do you really think he will come to your rescue??

02/03/23 07:36 PM #27093    

Kurt Fischer

RE. the balloon wars...

I have to agree with both of you this was a stunt by the Chinese to test US resolve.  And to put egg on the face of the US.  I earlier described it a PR stunt, but that description was probably too weak.

My primary point was the balloon would not gather any more intelligence than existing Chinese satellites and did not seem to present an immediate intelligence threat.

02/03/23 07:47 PM #27094    

Jim Bedwell

There have been 27 completed seasons (with the upcoming Super Bowl game finishing off the 27th one), 1996-2022 since the Cowboys last appeared in an NFC championship game. Here are the NFC championship game participants in those 27 seasons:

Team                   Appearances       Wins       Super Bowl Wins

Green Bay                   8                    3                     2

Philadelphia                 7                   3                     1    (maybe 2 next week?)

San Francisco             7                   2                      0

Rams (St. Lo. & LA)    4                   4                      2

Carolina                      4                   2                      0

Atlanta                        4                   2                      0

Minnesota                   4                  0                       0

New York Giants        3                   3                       2

Seattle                        3                  3                       1

Tampa Bay                 3                   2                       2

New Orleans              3                   1                       1

Arizona                       2                   1                       0

Chicago                      2                   1                       0                         Playoffs Record 1996-2022

Dallas                         0                   0                       0                                   5-12

Washington                0                   0                       0                                    2-5

Detroit                        0                   0                       0                                    0-5

So the Cowboys are the 14th best NFC team out of 16 (or 3rd worst) in terms of overall success in the NFC for those 27 seasons. I've always thought of Washington's owner Daniel Snyder as being a Jerry-Jones wannabe, which is reflected in these stats - he's EVEN WORSE than faux-GM Jerry!!!! But consider the WORST team - the Detroit Lions. Since they last won the NFL championship following the 1957 season (they won 3 NFL championships in the 1950's), if you ignore their 3 "Playoff Bowl" victories that the Lions posted in 1960-1962, which pitted the two 2nd-place teams from each NFL conference against each other, then the ONLY playoff victory for Detroit since the 1957 season was their win against the Cowboys following the 1991 season - also the ONLY playoff loss in head coach Jimmy Johnson's Cowboy tenure - he was 7-1  in 1991-93. Hence the justifiable frustration for we Cowboys fans concerning the now-perpetual mediocrity (or worse, as in FAILURE) of GM Jerry Jones's job performance. Plus even if the Eagles win the Super Bowl, that's only 12 NFC victories out of the last 27 seasons - so we're the 3rd worst team in the LESSER conference as well!

02/03/23 07:58 PM #27095    


David Cordell

Jim B -- Good analysis. Bad way to start the weekend!

02/03/23 09:02 PM #27096    


David Cordell

Victor Davis Hanson | Jan 05, 2023


Did someone or something seize control of the United States?


What happened to the U.S. border? Where did it go? Who erased it? Why and how did 5 million people enter our country illegally? Did Congress secretly repeal our immigration laws? Did President Joe Biden issue an executive order allowing foreign nationals to walk across the border and reside in the United States as they pleased?


Since when did money not have to be paid back? Who insisted that the more dollars the federal government printed, the more prosperity would follow? When did America embrace zero interest? Why do we believe $30 trillion in debt is no big deal?


When did clean-burning, cheap, and abundant natural gas become the equivalent of dirty coal? How did prized natural gas that had granted America's wishes of energy self-sufficiency, reduced pollution, and inexpensive electricity become almost overnight a pariah fuel whose extraction was a war against nature? Which lawmakers, which laws, and which votes of the people declared natural gas development and pipelines near criminal?


Was it not against federal law to swarm the homes of Supreme Court justices, to picket and to intimidate their households in efforts to affect their rulings? How then with impunity did bullies surround the homes of Justices Brett Kavanaugh, Samuel Alito, Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch, John Roberts, and Clarence Thomas - furious over a court decision on abortion? How could these mobs so easily throng our justices' homes, with placards declaring "Off with their d--s"?


Since when did Americans create a government Ministry of Truth? And on whose orders did the FBI contract private news organizations to censor stories it did not like and writers whom it feared?


How did we wake up one morning to new customs of impeaching a president over a phone call? Of the speaker of the House tearing up the State of the Union address on national television? Of barring congressional members from serving on their assigned congressional committees?


When did we assume the FBI had the right to subvert the campaign of a candidate it disliked? Was it legal suddenly for one presidential candidate to hire a foreign ex-spy to subvert the campaign of her rival?


Was some state or federal law passed that allowed biological males to compete in female sports? Did Congress enact such a law? Did the Supreme Court guarantee that biological male students could shower in gym locker rooms with biological women? Were women ever asked to redefine the very sports they had championed?


When did the government pass a law depriving Americans of their freedom during a pandemic? In America can health officials simply cancel rental contracts or declare loan payments in suspension? How could it become illegal for mom-and-pop stores to sell flowers or shoes during quarantine but not so for Walmart or Target?


Since when did the people decide that 70 percent of voters would not cast their ballots on Election Day? Was this revolutionary change the subject of a national debate, a heated congressional session, or the votes of dozens of state legislatures?


What happened to Election Night returns? Did the fact that Americans created more electronic ballots and computerized tallies make it take so much longer to tabulate the votes?


When did the nation abruptly decide that theft is not a crime, and assault is not a felony? How can thieves walk out with bags of stolen goods, without the wrath of angry shoppers, much less fear of the law?


Was there ever a national debate about the terrifying flight from Afghanistan? Who planned it and why?


What happened to the once-trusted FBI? Why almost overnight did its directors decide to mislead Congress, to deceive judges with concocted tales from fake dossiers and with doctored writs? Did Congress pass a law that our federal leaders in the FBI or CIA could lie with impunity under oath?


Who redefined our military and with whose consent? Who proclaimed that our chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff could call his Chinese Communist counterpart to warn him that America's president was supposedly unstable? Was it always true that retired generals routinely labeled their commander-in-chief as a near Nazi, a Mussolini, an adherent of the tools of Auschwitz?


Were Americans ever asked whether their universities could discriminate against their sons and daughters based on their race? How did it become physically dangerous to speak the truth on campus? Whose idea was it to reboot racial segregation and bias as "theme houses," "safe spaces," and "diversity"? How did that happen in America?


How did a virus cancel the Constitution? Did the lockdowns rob us of our sanity? Or was it the woke hysteria that ignited our collective madness?


We are beginning to wake up from a nightmare of a country we no longer recognize, and from a coup, we never knew.

02/03/23 10:01 PM #27097    

Jim Bedwell

Here's a great video on how ridiculous the unthinking, illogical, relentlessly uncompromising electric-car foolishishness is from the left:

LIke these 2 geniuses said:

Mark Twain: "Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul."

Forrest Gump: "Stupid is as stupid does".



02/03/23 10:16 PM #27098    

Jim Bedwell

David C,

Thanks for the compliment, but you said "bad way to start the weekend" - hey, that's why Chief Pay It Forward Almost Forever Steve called me Chief Agonizer - hahahahahaha!!!!

Chief Identified

And that Victor Davis Hanson is in the top 5 of American political thinkers working today - likely top 3 too, maybe Numero Uno? That pathetically platitudinous Princeton clodpoll Paul Krugman obviously is bottom 5.

Plus I LOVE the newest name for the mother of all scammers, Sam Bankman Fried by whomever on FNC came up with it: Scam Bankrupt Fraud - BRILLIANT!!! Of course, similarly I LOVE how Jesse Watters (no known relation to Maxine) now almost always doesn't call her Hillary but rather refers to her with the one-word  nickname "Corrupt", as in "When Corrupt does this, or when Corrupt said that............."

02/04/23 02:58 AM #27099    


David Wier

These words do not exist: 



So why do I keep hearing them or seeing them spelled out in TV closed captioning?






02/04/23 07:41 AM #27100    


David Cordell

It looks like Biden intends to run again. Good news for him: the Justice Department has a policy of not indicting a sitting president. Maybe that's his plan -- die in office so he'll never be indicted.

Remember hockey great Wayne Gretzky's statement? "I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been."

Democrats: This quotation applies to Biden. Consider where THAT hockey puck (thanks Don Rickles) will be (mentally) in six years, not where he has been. And the latter has been bad enough. Do you really want an 86-year-old man to be president -- an 86-year-old who was never the sharpest knife in the drawer?

02/04/23 07:54 AM #27101    


David Cordell


Is it possible to bring the Chinese spy balloon down without blowing it up? How?

Can we shoot a hole in it that would cause it to lose altitude, then when it gets low enough, have big helicopters grab it?

Is it filled with helium (non-flammable) or maybe hydrogen? (Think, the Hindenburg explosion.)

02/04/23 10:54 AM #27102    


Wayne Gary


The Air Force could punch holes in the balloon with the cannons on either the F22 or F35.  Both have a stated service ceiling of 65,000 ft.  The reported height to the balloon is 60,000 ft.  If they were to use the cannon to punch holes it would make a slow descent.

The F15 and F16 both have a 60,000 ft service ceiling.

All have 20mm vulcan cannons.

02/04/23 02:53 PM #27103    


David Cordell

So the 400 sq mile debris field was just BS.

They are saying that Biden wanted to shoot down the balloon, but the Pentagon advised against it. Not credible. He was the dissenter on the BIn Laden mission.


So, they finally shot down the balloon after it passed across the whole continent. 

I suggest a replacement for the phrase "closing the barn door after the horse has bolted" with "It's like shooting down a spy balloon after it has collected all the data."


02/05/23 12:25 PM #27104    


Jerry May

Yeah David, agreed! A long time military friend of mine said "They aren't going to find anything useful. "All the the data/info collected is back in China!" And suggested there was a wide expanse in Montana where the timing

would have worked perfectly. Hell, even the Governor was on television saying "has anyone ever seen Eastern Montana?" And my friend also said, "Even there would have compromised sensitive sites! The US knew about that ballon as soon as it crossed our airspace; and should have been shot down!"

And I offered; "The high-ranking military officer stating on television that, "We are of course concerned about the debri-field which could endanger our citizens" was an insult in a way, given the fact that our jets were about to shoot down one of our own airliners (93) with American passengers on board during 911! Instead,our brave souls forced it down! (I don't think they were trying find a good safe spot to crash!)

I speculated with Ellen, that an "arrangement" was made to allow them to shoot all the pictures they needed as it traversed the entire country; but that to "save face" POTUS would be enabled to give the order to destroy it, and also announce to the American public it was "taken down" (one of the very few times I've observed him walking UP to the cameras, instead of angling away from them!"

No, to this observer.......none of these actions pass the "sniff" test!!

02/05/23 04:55 PM #27105    

Jim Bedwell

David C & Jerry,

YEAH. VERY FISHY about this Chinese balloon. If you assume that the Biden Family criminal syndicate (VERY safe assumption - they all belong in prison for selling out our country) was obviously pedding influence with Ukraine, Russia, Red China, Kazahkstan, etc., as FNC has faithfully pointed out the last few years, it becomes obvious why Joe Biden has soft-pedaled any of his positions/responses to questions about China for so many years now. Joe has repeatedly described Red China as some kind of good-natured, friendly competitors rather than the mortal enemy those Communists are to us (and to Taiwan and everybody else for that matter).

The Biden administration, like almost ALL statements and other communications emanating from them, is simply full of liars, starting at the top, so they're constantly lying to the American public, i.e., just the opposite of their early pronouncements of being such a transparent administration.

Similarly, Obama said after he left office (or shortly before - I can't remember) that his administration was so free of any scandals, another BIG lie, as pointed out so often on FNC. 

In conclusion, with these last 2 Dem administrations, up is down, east is west & vice versa, and the truth is lies or "Russian disinformation", and the real lies have become the "truth" that they constantly and dishonestly try to sell to the public, with the conscious collusion of their partners, namely, the corrupt legacy media, big tech & pharma, the high levels of MANY executive department entities (e.g. FBI, DOJ, DHS, etc.; i.e., deep staters like Merrick Garland, Christopher Wray, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Andrew McCabe, James Comey, James Clapper, Alejandro Mayorkas, etc.), academia, Hollywood, the Dem Party in Congress (especially Swalwell, Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi, etc.), et al ad nauseum. The key word in my mind concerning all this evil behavior would be CORRUPTION aka, concerning our government, high crimes & misdemeanors (mostly felonies however). Not only can you just NEVER trust anything coming out of their mouths, but also it's very safe to assume the exact opposite of everything they're communicating.

02/05/23 05:17 PM #27106    

Jim Bedwell

Speaking of government corruption, here are my 2 favorite scenes (the 2nd one is the last scene in the movie) from "Burn After Reading", a Coen Brothers flick - J.K. Simmons is great here as the boss who's trying to make sure his department's dirt is swept under the rug & KEPT THERE:

02/05/23 06:09 PM #27107    


Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

I really get a kick out of watching J.K Simmons' characters.   He is such a good actor.  We recently watched WHIPLASH with him as one of the main characters, and thoroughly enjoyed his intense performance.  I recommend the film to all of you.  The young drummer was equally good!  Great movie!  Excellent music too!

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