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David Cordell

Just watched Erika Kirk's first public statement on Fox News. She kept it together much better than I could have. Very poised.

Just found out today that she had been Miss Arizona.

She told of her three-year-old daughter running into her arms and asking, "Where's Daddy?"

Can you imagine?

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

David,

I heard a liberal guy say today, that he had not known who Charlie Kirk even was, when he first heard the name mentioned in the news flashes of two days ago.  He looked the name up, and found that Charlie was the founder of Turning Point USA, and that Charlie helped get Trump elected by speaking to young adults, while being persuasive enough to get at least some of those young minds to vote for Trump.  Well.........when this liberal swellhead heard THOSE facts, making him gag with disgust, he immediately decided that Charlie was probably a privileged kid of conservative, 'up-tight' parents, and that Charlie was basically a mixed-up, poorly informed guy, most likely harboring bad judgment; a young, starry-eyed guy the liberal genius dismissed as a nothingburger.  This liberal guy NOW believes that Charlie Kirk is an idiot, (since Charlie supported Trump---a tyrant and goon hellbent on destoying America.)  Continuing.... Mr. Liberal knows nothing about how Charlie was a devout Christian who enjoyed and encouraged useful debate about religious beliefs, as well as conservative stances, becoming, in time, known and recognized as a promoter of interesting, challenging dialogue on college campuses and radio talk shows.

How should a conservative person, taken aback by Mr. Liberal's 'piss-poor' attitude, address Mr. Liberal, realizing now that the stubborn man will never know the real Charlie Kirk, and will probably never try to learn anymore about Mr. Kirk, being that the liberal mindset has no interest in a person who is connected in any way, with ignoramus Trump.  What's more, the guy has a liberal bent toward most Christian folks he finds as extremely gullible in their faith beliefs.

I'm beginning to think a conservative person with a Christian faith still 'a work in progress', should just stay away from Mr. Liberal as much as possible.  Life is fleeting enough to wrangle with a sourpuss; an oaf.

David Cordell

Janalu,

I hear you!

The irony is that Charlie Kirk at his events made it a point to ask those who disagreed with him to come to the microphone and he would debate them. Sometimes he would win them over.

I think I express my opinions to justify them, but I don't have much hope of changing the opinions of people on the left.

Demonizing people for opinions is not just futile. It is evil. I suppose I am as guilty as anyone.

I never had the good fortune to have a daughter. Maybe that's why these brief videos are so emotional to me.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOdyQjID6NS/

https://www.instagram.com/p/DK8Gv3OS3gz/

Lowell Tuttle

Lowell Tuttle

I have been reading and watching about the Atlanta battery plant Hyundai/LG Korean investment.   It is about a 4.3 billion dollar investment and is just one of about 20 other major similarly funded plants S. Korean companies have started as part of their agreements (both in this and past admins.) with the US.

The Korean workers (and some Chinese, Japanese, and Indonesian) numbered about 430.   The Koreans all were sent back to Korea yesterday (except one who chose to stay.) 

All but 45 or so of these workers were here to train, help set up, and advise the coming workers as well as finalize the building of the plant.  The subcontracting companies said, get to the US by hook or crook...somehow so you can work.

All of these 21 or so multi billion dollar investments by Korean companes are new builds/new plants.  

Workers were mostly unable to obtain the proper work visas because of the cumbersome process the US has evolved into as a result of political pressure via US immigration laws and procedures.   Since they have been coming over here for a few years, it's a combination of the two administrations lack of proper procedure.

It has given the US a black eye to Korea.   Supposedly one of our few allies...considering their bordering N. Korea, our military pressence there, as well as the obvious desire by Korean companies to invest here, as a way of "paying back?" the uS for being their friend.

The failure of the US Congess to forge an updated immigration policy (the last time done was during Reagan,) in this everchanging World economic state at the same time begging other countries to make deals with us is rather sloppy, embarassing, and isolationist.

Please, someone, at least get an updated foreign worker immigration plan fast so we can continue to handle the needs of business who count on that labor...both for building up new plants and companies and for continuing operations within our economy.   This is congressional and should be by partisan...

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Lowell,

The way to a Republican's sensibilities is through their pocketbooks.  Only then will this whole situation with immigration get their attention.  Right now there is a sugar rush of get rid of the vile intruders and hang the cost to farmers, businesses and consumers.  The South Korean fiasco is just one example and unfortunately a caualty in this endeavour to rid ourselves of the "people who saddle us with crime, take all of our precious jobs, and are our generous natures, like health care".  Hang it all if they contribute to our economy!

Wayne Gary

Sandra,

This week a man from Cuba slashed and decapitaded a coworker in Dallas.  The man had numerous felonies convections in Texas and California.  In January he was released  from an ICE hold by Biden's ICE.  They claimed he was released because they were not deporting to Cuba yet there are videos of people being loaded onto a plane headed to CUBA.  Biden and his Dem cronies are not intrested in public safety.

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Wayne,

Did any of the workers in Georgia from Korea commit any crimes at all?  Should all imigrants be deported because of a few bad actors?  Should the entire economy be brought down due to a few people who commit  crimes? 

Marty Fulton

Q:  "Where's daddy?"

A:  "He's on a road trip with Jesus".

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Not all newcomers who entered during Biden's "Come one, come all" policy, which was against American law, by the way, will be deported.(Not that Biden CARED that he was breaking American law!)  As a matter of fact, few of them will be sent home, as there were around 15 million who entered.  Just how many will go back is to be seen, but we all know that an enormous number of them will remain, taxing our social services, over the years, to the breaking point, probably.  We also know that THE MAIN REASON they were allowed to enter, was because of the delight of the Democrats to have a gigantic surge of new votes for their party, in the times coming, as well as to change the demographics of mainly the red states.  The notion that they came to pick our vegetables and clean our motel rooms, is a very, very minor side issue.  They came to have a piece of the pie they felt could be their's, if only they could get their feet into the river, wading across.  The financial lure, and the chances for education and medical care they lacked in their own countries, is why they came.  Picking vegetables was not their driving focus, nor were the promises of low wage jobs.

We are now seeing in this country, what has resulted in Germany, (also Great Britain) when Angela Merckel allowed Syrian people, and others, to pour into her country,  The German people are now trying their best to expel as many of those people as possible, since those people are a gigantic financial burden on the country, as well as the fact that most of them are not assimilating.

To help our neighboring countries in need, we should GO TO THEIR COUNTRIES and TEACH THEM the best ways to improve, offering monies to the hands of those we are sure will be correct, verified hands.  Bringing them here is a disaster coming fast.

Wayne Gary

Sandra,

The South Koreans in GA were here on work visas and had overstayed their visas so they returned home. They had not asked for a longer work period.

Bob Wainner

God Bless You, Charlie Kirk.......and Thank You!

I just happen to believe had it not been for "Charlie Kirk" and his "Turn Around USA" movement...President Trump just may not have become the 47th President of The U.S.......but Charlie Kirk got out millions of young voters to vote for President Trump........and by doing so, I feel our Republic has been saved & hopefully is on a path in the right direction. 

IMO, the terrible hate speech coming from Democrats (even the top leaders of that Party) must STOP.  It seems like anyone who has a connection to President Trump has become a "target".  I saw on the news yesterday, that over 14,000 members of Congress have been threatened this year alone. 

I also blame the Liberal Media, Social Media Platforms, Internet games that are filled with killing programs & even Hollywood Movies that are blood baths - like "John Wick" where literally hundreds of people are killed. How can Hollywood be against "guns" when they produce so many bloody movies filled with "gun violence"???

I have to say, Charlie Kirk was MUCH braver than me.  I wouldn't have gone to alll of those University campuses to speak without having "exceptional security measures in place"....maybe he should have had his security team learn HOW to secure the venues from the "U.S. Secret Service".  Check the roof tops; put some drones in the air.  Charlie was a "target"....but I know he knew it too. I saw one video where a bystander at Charlie's Utah rally showing video of a man wearing all black clothing on a roof top.....WHY didn't that guy run to authorities???  And at the Butler, PA. rally where Trump was shot.....all the police had to do when they realized there was a man on that roof top....they could have taken a coupld of shots into the ground.....and the sound of the gunfire would have forced everyone to get on the ground. 

One very important thing I have learned from our losing Charlie Kirk to an assassin.....is that my faith has become stronger.  I'm almost 76, have my share of health issues......but am no longer fearful of death. I so admire Charlie's very strong Faith in Jesus as his savior.  I really wish that I had had the opportunity to meed Charlie Kirk in person!  Charlie accomplished more in his 31 years than any of us will achieve in a very long lifetime. 

Bob

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Just read online that C. Kirk's shooter was living in an apt. in St.George Utah, with his transgender partner.

Is this true?

And now we get 'the rest of the story'.......possibly.   Time will tell........

David Cordell

Sandra, sovereign nations have borders. Period. They have a right to determine who crosses those borders, for how long, and for what purposes. The Koreans may complain, but what if the shoe were on the other foot? What would they do? Do they have open borders?

This kerfuffle is just another opportunity for Trump haters to complain.

Now, what would Dems have said if the South Koreans had been allowed to stay? What would have been the comparison to Hispanics who are sent back? Or should ICE have just pretended that nothing happened?

USA to world: "Hey, we'd love to have your investment, but you have to follow our laws."

Any suggestion for open borders is a non-starter. What Lowell said makes sense, and it also made sense when we had a Democrat President, House, and Senate.

Dems whined about a "broken immigration system" while they opened the floodgates under Biden. Now we have a recognizable border again. It is time to create a system that is appropriate for OUR needs at this point in our nation's life. Yes, OUR needs. That should include seasonal and temporary work visas as well as green cards for various critical occupations.

BTW, my old employer (UT Dallas) has a president from India. My dean is from Turkey. My department chair is from China. There are probably ten different nations represented in my old Finance department, from Europe, Africa, South America, and Asia. 

David Cordell

Janalu, this article addresses that issue. Not clear if it is true.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/

David Cordell

I'm going to see if I have any college football eligibility. I haven't played quarterback since a B-team practice scrimmage against W.W. Samuel, but I think UT needs me. And I'd play for half of what Arch Manning is getting.

Ron Knight

TO ALL at the risk of being permantly banned and if so, so be it. I told you I would not comment more until the person was in custody who killed Charlie Kirk and we knew more about him.

I am so angry over the total BS from the left over Charlie Kirk's murder by a warped mind leftist radical I want to scream! I only speak for myself, but these Democrats today have totally lost their way and it is time for ALL conservatives and recent converts from the left to put an end to this. NOT all Democrats feel this way, BUT... RISE up and create thousands more of Charlie Kirks. The conservatives have turned the other cheek until there are no more cheeks left to turn with your Socialist and Marxists indoctrination crammed down our throats on college campus's, with DEI, Trans culture with 60 genders, open borders designed for a new Democratic voter base to keep you in power for decades, main stream media, the Dark State NGO's funding your nepharious activities to undermine traditional American values such as a nuclear family, religion and merit in the workplace. I'm done with the guy on the other website who blasted me because of my party affiliation. HE is sick and ironically needs mental health. BUT that is what this radical Democratic party looks like today. It's cancel culture where "peaceful protest" means burning Teslas, looting stores, burning buildings and create the BLM as just ONLY peaceful protests for such a just cause. So what is killing your political opponent considered???? just another "peaceful protest"??????? DID any of you on the left notice a difference after Charlie was assinated that there were ONLY prayer vigils held around the country that OH btw your "peaceful protestors" created havoc upon! Your deranged youth on social media posted laughing and mocking videos of Charlie's murder. BUT NOT only that Congresswoman Ilhan Omar laughed and mocked him. YOUR party is sick, evil and deranged AND until you figure that out nothing will change.I'm tired of the BS that both sides do it. YOU do it MUCH worse. UNTIL you figure that out nothing will change. Conservatives are sick and tired of being nice to you! I was assaulted by a freak trans last summer in a parking lot and your WOKE Mayor who defunded the police in Asheville did NOTHING about it! HE/SHE  or whatever it wanted to be called went free with NO recourse!!!

I think the killing of Charlie Kirk sealed the fate of the 2028 election for JD Vance. You did notice that Charlie Kirk's body was flown back from Utah to Arizona on Air Force II, JD Vance's airplane. Charlie's widow, Erika is a very strong and powerful woman and she will not let Charlie's life be in vain. TPUSA will be stronger than Charlie could have ever imagined. The stupid left has stirred the hornet's nest of a sleeping conservative giant. Millions upon millions of dollars will be pouring into the coffers of conservative causes and politicians to defeat each and every one of you who hold these current Democratic deranged values.

GOD BLESS Charlie Kirk he certainly did not deserve what this deranged Democratic party unleashed upon him.

David Cordell

Good points, Ron.

Congrats to the Aggies!

Lowell Tuttle

Aggies...good finish...

This is part one of an article clarifying somewhat the details of the ICE action near Atlanta.   It is just a section of it from an immigration lawyer involved.   But, it does shed some light on the situation and the complication the US immigration laws have failed (by not being updated in 40 years or so) to handle.

If we are bringing foreign investment, we need a better process to engage foreign workers with.  

Originally this raid was targeting 4 workers?   All these Koreans had some kind of permit/visa to be here.  This is a mess.

Representatives from the battery plant joint venture did not return requests for comment, nor did spokespeople from the White House and the Department of Homeland Security.

The B1 and combination B1/B2 visa — the kind held by several Georgia plant workers — is commonly used for business and tourism-related travel lasting less than six months, especially for consulting technical or scientific roles. A total of 4,906 B1/B2 visas were issued to South Koreans in the first five months of this year, according to government records, a small slice of the 2.86 million issued to all countries over the same period.

Robert Marton, an immigration lawyer with auto manufacturer clients other than Hyundai, said he had relied on B1 visas more in recent years as other programs for bringing in foreign workers had become more competitive.

Companies routinely bring in employees from elsewhere with H-1B visas, which allow someone to stay for several years. But those are capped in number, expensive to apply for and in high demand.

“The H-1B program has been restrictive as it’s been for years,” Mr. Marton said. “So I think lawyers like us are looking at workarounds and getting people in quickly.”

Lowell Tuttle

part 2

Obtaining a B1 visa requires submitting proof of the worker’s credentials, such as degree certificates, and proof of employment in someone’s home country. It is supposed to be used for consulting with business associates, negotiating contracts or attending conferences.

Jongwon Lee, a lawyer in Duluth, Ga., who has worked with South Korean companies operating in the state, said the official guidance left little clarity on how expansively the B1 visa could be interpreted.

“Installing software, giving instructions of how to set up machines, is that consulting or not?” Mr. Lee said. “Nobody knows. No update, no instruction, no case law.”

Instead, enforcement can play out in real time. ICE planning documents suggest that agents were not necessarily targeting temporary South Korean workers last week.

The original warrant for the raid listed only four Hispanic individuals. According to Mr. Kuck, agents did not have any Korean speakers on hand during the raid and had to use apps to translate.

“It was an accident” that ICE picked up the South Korean workers, Mr. Kuck argued. “They just transported everybody to the jail to sort it out later.”

Lowell Tuttle

So, in conclusion, most of those workers in Atlanta were here "legally"***

Legally as in they used a lawyer, got permits, the permits are or were not sufficient in the eyes of ICE, but there is not much else available for these situations.

At least it was an accident.   ICE may have learned or not learned.   Have to ask Miller if any new guidelines have been impletmented.  

I hope they have.

David Cordell

I withdraw my offer to play quarterback for the Horns. 

I reissue the same offer to the Cowboys.

Lowell Tuttle

CEEDEE Lamb is pretty good eh?  41 points in the 4th quarter...sheesh

I gave up on The Boys about 4 times today...Who knew.

The Giants seemed to me to be much more creative, but...well, they lost it.

Oh.   and 26 penalties for 266 yards...beautiful!

Nice kick to tie it up in regulation...

A lot of work to do...The Giants are probably gonna lose 9 or 10 games this year.

But, Whatd do I know? I sat Jared Goff today and he passed for 5 TD's.

David Cordell

Jan, you should never trust a professor!

Lowell, I take credit for the Cowboys win. I had to get an MRI this afternoon (yes, on Sunday) and missed the entire OT. If I had been watching, the 'Boys would have lost. No need to thank me.

Ron Knight

Jan 

Thanks for your post about Face The Nation on CBS today. Face The Nation has been around about as long as we have, 1954. They, unfortunately like so many other main stream media outlets have been compromised by their bias. I am not blasting them for that, it's just what it is. It is just the way you have to view them to balance their content these days.

I am very familiar with today's broadcast. As David said, "beware of Professors"! Robert Pape had interesting comments, especially about the paradigm shift in the population makeup of the US. However, what I found from that conversation while he talked about the decline of white population to soon, in 10 years be below 50% of the total in the US, creating a different mindset of how America will be in the near future. However, in my opinion, he failed to interject what are American values and what this shift in population means towards a future America. THAT'S a very important point to me that he missed. IF you look at the shift of non-white voters this past election cycle, it is alarming how conservative the traditional Democratic voter base has become in the black and latino community. That along with the youth vote from college age young Americans swayed the election this time. While he maintained the violence is from both sides, he failed short to me of putting the escalation of the radical left to blame. I understand that. 

Our colleges today have been indoctrinated to Socialist and Marxist breeding labs. Point of reference is my own daughter. When she entered college, she was a devout Rush Limbaugh listener. By the time she graduated she was dating a hard core Democrat. They both got into law school. My daughter interned for then Secretary of the State of Georgia, Cathy Cox and my future son-in-law interned for Cathy's husband Mark at his law firm. My daughter changed so much, I almost didn't recognize her. HOW did that happen??? There have been years that my daughter was not allowed to even talk to me after they were married. It was only after her divorce that we re-established our relationship. 

Ron Knight

Lance

In my opinion, you are the best qualified for the task I am going to ask of you. I hope you will agree and take this on.

Charlie Kirk has been compared by some ministers around the country this week to be the modern day Stephen from the book of Acts 6 vs 6-7 and on, right up to Stephen's death of being stoned in public for all to see. My heart swells with pride for all the youth that flooded church services today to honor Charlie's life. Estimated even more than Easter or Christmas services. Charlie's outreach isn't confined to our borders. In London there were estimated crowds in the street of 1 million paying respects. Similar in South Korea, New Zealand and Spain. The evil destruction of a man of faith by a warped minded radical has lite a fire of spirtual renewal around the world. God bless Charlie Kirk.

Thanking you in advance.