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04/26/23 11:56 AM #27300    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

David,  You asked me a question on an earlier post.  Here is my answer. 

I am assuming you are referring to the book When the caged bird sings.  Here is my take on what age a child or a person should read this book.  It is same age you would allow the same person to read the Old Testament or the New Testament, providing they were interested either the book here in question or the bible.   As far as I know neither the Old nor New Testaments have been removed or banned from any public-school libraries at this writing.  There are plenty of equally shocking stories in those books.  I also think that any parent who buys their child, or teenager a smart phone, tablet or laptop must face the fact that there is no longer any way they can 100% shield their child from anything currently on the internet, which is way more controversial than, When the caged bird sings.   Further to that point, if they let their child get on TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, or any other social media site, the same holds true.  The internet is the world of books, ideas, good, bad and ugly.  Give a child these tools and you have opened the Pandora box without restraint.  Book banning is useless.  Nothing replaces good parenting.  

I also think that any child who has entered puberty – most specifically female children should be informed of any consequences of unprotected sex, or rape.  This is especially true for those living in Texas.  Since abortion is not allowed due to age, rape or incest, at least these sweet young things should know what the real implications are of carrying a child at the age of 9, 10, 11, 12, 13….and so on, years of age.  There is no alternative for them.  They will be forced to carry that child, at least provide them with some education on the subject, it is the least we could do.


04/26/23 02:33 PM #27301    

 

Wayne Gary

So much for getting Ben & Jerry's icecream.

This from todays Dallas Morning News

The Associated Press

Ice-cream mogul starts nonprofit cannabis biz

WILLISTON, Vt. — One of the co-founders of Ben & Jerry’s has gone from ice cream to “blunts,” promising a line of marijuana products with a social mission.

Ben Cohen has started Ben’s Best Blnz, a nonprofit cannabis line with a stated mission of helping to right the wrongs of the war on drugs. The company says on its website that 80% of its profits will go to grants for Black cannabis entrepreneurs while the rest will be equally divided between the Vermont Racial Justice Alliance and the national Last Prisoner Project, which is working to free people incarcerated for cannabis offenses.


04/26/23 03:30 PM #27302    

 

Lowell Tuttle

Wayne, he's obviously stoned.


04/26/23 04:05 PM #27303    

 

Wayne Gary

Today I have been watching on Story TV a 2010 series from Canada shown on Discovery "Hunting Nazi". About the tracking down of Nazi war criminals.  It suprises me the evil people in the world.  The Naxis had a "ratline" with a lot of people helping them excape Germany to South America.

It is a very interesting series.


04/27/23 08:56 AM #27304    

 

David Cordell

Sandra,

Do you think that no books should be "banned" from elementary school libraries?

Do you think there is no such concept as "age-appropriate"?

Here's a thought. Recall the most "interesting" sexual experience of your life. Imagine that it is described in detail in a book. I mean REAL detail. (The names have been changed to protect the, umm, innocent.). Should a school make such a book available to a ten-year-old? A six-year-old (with advanced reading skills!)?

There is no benefit in robbing children of the innocence of youth. Quite the opposite.

If parents want to expose their children to what I consider age-inappropriate reading matter, I suppose that's up to them, even if it borders on child abuse. 

An elementary school library should employ the strictest standard and "allow" the parents to decide if they want to provide, with their own money, more lascivious readings to their children.

Are videos in the library next? Maybe Debbie Does Dallas?

 


04/27/23 11:19 AM #27305    

 

Lowell Tuttle

David and Sandra.   Somewhere in between you guys.   There have been library book choices for elementary and middle school age children from way before our times even.  Common sense dictated it.   The long arm of the State and downward on the chart, the school district have had policies and lists I am sure, forever.   

Literature has certainly evolved since our SRA reading laboratory days at Heights.   Remember reading the biography of Davy Crocket, or Babe Ruth?

There was also Children of the A Bomb.   In high school, The Scarlet Letter, On Walden Pond, and To Kill a Mockingbird...many more...

Educators have common sense.   If there is or was ever a major controversy, parents usually led a charge and the issue was dealt with, principle to teacher.   Not much of a defense there for the teacher, but censorship has existed a long time.

Even censorship rhetoric has been a political issue.   

It's a regular problem.   Take it with a grain of salt.   Teachers aren't forcing Debbie Does Dallas or even Charles Bukowski down our kids throats.

It is really laughable how incensed folks get.


04/27/23 11:27 AM #27306    

 

Jerry May

So I read some on Lia Thomas' ranking as a competing "male;"  before he transgendered as female over to competitive female swimmers' events; was ranked 80th in at least two events.

Riley Gaines was clobbered in their event(s) Not a level playing field at all! Hell, Thomas' wingspan must have been 7ft! And I saw them on the podium, and Thomas dwarfed her by a bunch!

I just believe as Russ has stated that men should compete against men, and women against women!

And if there are not enough Transgender athletes to form a third division.......I'm sure someone could "handicap"

them to a fair and level playing/swimming field.

When I was on a bowling team once.....with my good friend Glen.....it was our first year and we were at a disadvantage in most matches, therefore "given" pins. When it came time to play the #1 team in the league (who had two players with averages at or just below 200) we were given SEVENTY FIVE or eighty pins!

Glen admitted we couldnt make any mistakes because this team was in the league five years and were always consistent. So we needed to play "lights out"

Somehow, our competitiveness took over and Glen and I both bowled over 200 that night! Course the rest of the team were right at their averages or a little below.

Whatever the case, it was a huge upset......and of course members of their team were calling us ringers as it wasn't even close! Point is.....  although we beat them, it wouldn't have been......if we didn't have the handicap!

 


04/27/23 11:49 AM #27307    

 

Jerry May

Lowell,

Thanks for Larry Davis' "Texas Flood" Unsanitized and pure, it was a great rendition of the song! Love the old-fashioned ending as well! Sorry I just now addressed that post!

Here's one I've played before of the Oak Cliff legend, and never tire of it!




04/27/23 03:40 PM #27308    

 

Wayne Gary

David, Sandra, Jerry May

Fron the very bejinning of libraries thate has been selectavie reading. The libray decides what beading material to buy by their various standards.  I bet you can't go int Dall Public Libray and find a copy of "Hustler", "Playboy" and many other mags and books.  I know many libraries have sections for children and some for teenagers.  They are not doing censorship as the books are not kept from being published just we will not spend tax money on them.

Several years ago a group of WOKE complained many of the Dr Suess books should be changed or banned because they complained they were racist or anti LGBTQ+.  The publisher dropped or modified books the satify them. This was cesorship by the same people that calll foul on consertative choices.

The yell is censorship if I do not like and being anti-racist or inclusive if I like i don't like it but I don't call my decisions and censorship.


04/27/23 04:28 PM #27309    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

 

First Lowell - - -

Your common sense post was spot on!  Thank you. 

David,

I agree with Lowell.  I also think that when your child is old enough for kindergarten, and you send them off to school, it is the desired hope that what they will experience will be age appropriate, friendly, without bias, and an enriching learning experience.  It is also to be expected that your child will see things they don't see at home.  That being new faces, new ideas, and people with different ideas and different living styles.  When I sent my son off to public kindergarten, he had never received any religious instruction at all.  We were and still are a non-religious family.  However, within one week of attending school he came home wondering what was wrong with our family and why we did not attend or were members of a church.  It was not his teachers doing this, it was his fellow classmates.  My job as a parent was to reinforce our family values and explain why these folks thought of us as some sort of deviation from normal, all the while not making his fellow classmates to be wrong in their ideas either.  I had to teach him that we were different, but there was nothing wrong with that.  He had to learn tolerance, personal strength, and religious bias at age 5.  Somewhere in the back of my mind at the time, I knew this would happen, and both Danny and I were somewhat prepared, but were still shocked at how quickly it happened.  What surprised me more was how well he coped, adapted, and thrived in spite of it.  Our strength as a family and our parenting skills prevailed.  He grew up with an open mind able to choose his own path.  I have never stood in his way and never will.  Instead, I celebrate his choices because I know him to be an honorable man.

Getting back to what is appropriate and at what age.  Who really knows?  It would be nice if all children of elementary school age were never exposed to controversy, violence, racism, war, murder, or rape.  Nicer still if we could shield all those in middle school too.  Not possible.  Impossible.  Somewhere some child is raped, beaten, or subjected to racial bias and controversy.  Maya Angelou's book is this:

"I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings is a 1969 autobiography describing the young and early years of American writer and poet Maya Angelou. The first in a seven-volume series, it is a coming-of-age story that illustrates how strength of character and a love of literature can help overcome racism and trauma.

Angelou uses her autobiography to explore subjects such as identity, rape, racism, and literacy. She also writes in new ways about women's lives in a male-dominated society. Maya, the younger version of Angelou and the book's central character, has been called "a symbolic character for every black girl growing up in America".  Angelou's description of being raped as an eight-year-old child overwhelms the book, although it is presented briefly in the text."

If you see pornography in this, that is all you will ever see.  If you see hope and overcoming trauma and racism, you see the author's message.

If any person wants to read this book for the message that it delivers, then nothing should stand in their way.  Will very young children want to read this book?  I doubt that very seriously.  I hated Shakespeare in High School.  I had no appreciation of it at all.  It was way over my head; however, I was exposed to it enough that many years later, I finally did appreciate it.  Everyone matures at a different rate.  Should a high school library have this book on their shelves?  In my opinion yes.  If you object, then tell me exactly at what age someone should read this book.  Should reading it be required.  Hell no.

I was raised by parents who let me read anything I wanted to.  No book was banned at the house.  They felt that reading anything was brain development and resulted in critical thinking.  My dad, despite his personal religious beliefs, made it very clear the bible was good reading and encouraged to me read it if I wanted to.  Nothing was held back.  This was from the time I was in first grade.  He only hid his Playboy magazines from me.  Didn't work though, I eventually found them.  The pictures in them shocked me, but what shocked me more was that they were his.  It was the first time I realized he had his weaknesses too.   Later I realized he was just a normal American male. 

This latest round of book banning has more to do with homophobia, racism, and bias, in my opinion.  These well-intentioned young mothers’ intent to wipe clean the shelves of school libraries and curriculum of any book that does not fit into their personal belief system, is fear of their own parenting abilities to talk to their own children about different people and tolerance.  Again, my opinion.  They don't want tolerance or they don’t want to discuss it with their kids.  It appears that they want a zero-tolerance society with everyone who is the same.  Only boys and girls, nothing in between.  Black and white, zero tolerance.  How long they think they can keep their kids in the dark about our changing society, is the burning question.

I will reiterate my earlier post and point out that cell phones, tablets, laptops, and social media will erase any attempt at social white washing.  Your kids will find it, see it, and make their own assumptions about it.  It is up to you to talk to them about it.  Your kids should be your choice, however, everyone else’s kids should be the choice of their parents.

Now, if you have age specifics and literature specifics, please provide them. 


04/27/23 06:44 PM #27310    

 

Lowell Tuttle

And now... the draft...

Also, do you guys think the Rangers can hit Gerrit Cole tonight?   Is anyone going?

 

 


04/27/23 06:53 PM #27311    

 

Steve Keene

Lowell,

The Rangers have a chance if he's not from Cincinnati.

 


04/27/23 08:41 PM #27312    

 

David Cordell

At the Dallas Arboretum enjoying Beatles cover band -- Hard Night's Day. Very good!!


04/28/23 03:14 PM #27313    

 

David Cordell

Sandra,

A perceptive classmate mentioned to me a slight contradiction in your earlier post.

You said that your parents let you read anything you wanted to, but your father apparently hid the Playboys from you. Isn't this a case of magazine banning? Did he think Playboys were not age-appropriate?

Even if your father decided that you were mature enough to see (read??) Playboy magazines, would it have been appropriate to donate them to the Heights Elementary School library?

Personally, I think that Playboy magazines are repugnant. They promote body types that are rarely seen (at least by me) and are probably unhealthy. They amount to body shaming for women whose bodies don't conform to the unrealistic standard.

Umm, you didn't happen to save any of those Playboys, did you??


04/28/23 03:15 PM #27314    

 

David Cordell

Lowell, I'm going to the Rangers-Yankees game tomorrow.


04/28/23 04:41 PM #27315    

 

Lowell Tuttle

I remember when the Rangers came to Dallas/Arlington, in what 1972?  With Ted Williams as their manager.  They played in Arlington stadium, before it was expanded by, what, 25,000 seats, to accomodate the debut of David Clyde? or so my memory goes...

I went a few times and was eager to see the Yankees, my team then, and Bobbie Mercer...

I went to the David Clyde game where he walked the bases loaded, and then struck out the side.   That was about it for his major league history...the rest was a struggle...

I think I went to about 30 games the years that Billy Martin was a manager...I loved Gaylor Perry, Alex Johnson, Rico Carty, Lenny Randle, Toby Harrah, Mike Hargrove...and they had Jim Spencer and Pepi Tovar...

Looking up more names...Burroughs, Jackie Brown, and Ferguson Jenkins.   Fergie had 29 complete games in 1975.   Can you imagine 29 complete games...players' arms would fall off...

These were the days before radar, I think, and pitchers threw softer...

I think if they had stuck with Whitey Herzog, instead of firing him and hiring Billy Martin, they probably would have done a lot better sooner...

I was gone to Houston in 78.   The Oilers had Campbell and Bum Phillips, the Astros signed Nolan Ryan and had JR Richard, the Rockets soon got Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwan, and Jerry Jones fired Tom Landry, so I left my Dallas fandom sort of as a second place favorite...

Who remembers the game in Cleveland, when they had a 10 cent beer night promotion.   It became such a drunken brawl that a fan ran out to the outfield and stole Jeff Burroughs' hat and glove, and Burroughs confronted him wiht the Rangers players running out to his defense and then a 100-200 Cleveland fans storming the field...I wish I had witnessed that on TV....I can only remember the newspaper article...

Watching fights and riots in major league baseball...my kind of fun...Nothing like your manager getting thrown out, or Nolan Ryan defending himself against a charging hit batter...

It's 50 year anniversary for David Clyde debut this June 27th.   That is amazing...

Also in 1973.   The Rangers aquired Mike Kekich.   You remember him.   He's the pitcher who traded families with Fritz Peterson, another pitcher, for the Yankees.   Peterson and his new family worked it all out, but poor Ranger Kekich, ended broke up with Peterson's wife, Marilyn...Just a short story from back in the good old days when everyone did the right thing...


04/28/23 05:23 PM #27316    

 

David Cordell

Does anyone think that racism is worse now than it was 60 years ago, before the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

The term homophobia is stupid. A phobia is a fear. Is anyone fearful of homosexuals? How many people truly hate homosexuals? Do you think people who are simply uncomfortable with homosexuality are homophobes?

Same for transphobia. I don't fear trans people. I just think some one who has more testosterone than I have (had?) should not compete against REAL (i.e. biological) women. It is absolutely discriminatory against women. I also think it is highly inappropriate for drag queens to prance about in front of young children.

What is a xenophobic person? If I think too many people are being allowed to enter this country illegally or under false pretenses, does that mean I am xenophobic? Balderdash!

What is a white supremacist? I thought it was someone like Bull Connor or George Wallace. It turns out that anyone who is white is a white supremacist. So are many black people, like Larry Elder. Preposterous! Racist and white supremacist are terms that are used as weapons to shut down conversation by putting the other person on the defensive. "Uh, no. Not me. I'm not a racist. I take back everything I said! By the way, may I wash your car for you?"

Today I heard Ron Klain, Biden's former chief of Staff, say that much of the criticism against Vice President Harris is because she is black and a woman. Balderdash! The criticism is because she is clearly not up to the task. You want racism and sexism? Here it is. Biden announced that his vice president selection would be a black woman. Oh. OK. It turns out that favoring one race over another is OK, as long as you are favoring black over white. And favoring one gender over another is OK as long as you are favoring females over males.

In the past very few years, the left has flipped into craziness and name-calling, using terms that are intended to suggest some sort of psychiatric malady.

If you call me a racist, I will call you are a liar. Only one of us will be correct. Me.


04/28/23 05:34 PM #27317    

 

David Cordell

Lowell,

Two of the players you named were real annoyances to me. Gaylord Parry most hold the record for maximum time from receiving the ball from the catcher to pitching the ball back to the catcher. And when I say that he must hold the record, he probably would hold places 2 to 2 million as well. It was painful to watch games he pitched.

Jeff Hargrove was a good ballplayer, but he was slow, slow, slow. He would step out of the batter's box, adjust both of his batting gloves, call a restaurant for reservations, and read a short story before getting back in the box.

I love the clock!


04/28/23 08:54 PM #27318    

 

Wayne Gary

HELP!!!

This morning I heard an old song during breakfast that I have not been able to identify..

Thr lyrics had: hang 10,hang 5 and california girls.

It had a good instramintal lead in

Can anyone help identify the song.


04/28/23 10:00 PM #27319    

 

Lowell Tuttle

David I like the clock too...I would make it 20 seconds for all pitches...and I am still not sure about the batter being engaged...I realize we can't have the pitcher just heaving it anytime he's ready...but some batters are waving their bat in the air, swinging it around, or slouching with it on their shoulders, and they're actually ready...I think the engaged batter rule is too tough to call...but somehow it seems to be working.

Hargrove was a great hitter...and later a pretty good manager...where is he now?

I don't or didn't watch the Rangers too too much, so I don't know about their hitters...

Altuve stepped out and adjusted his gloves every at bat.   Tucker, reaches down and grabs dirt after spitting on his hands...Altuve isn't back yet, but he did get a few games in Spring training before the WCS.

Yordan Alvarez never steps out of the box and is ready as soon as the catcher sends the ball back to the pitcher.

Speaking of the clock.   How was playing with Tommy and them in golf... speed wise...

When I was still golfing, the group I played with on Fridays in our dogfight had one guy who was slower than, well...I need Steve for the aliteration.   I had a sore back and it took a lot out of me standing there waiting on him.  I went to a camping sports store and bought a little $10.00 tri pod stool.   I carried it up on the green and sat in it while he was in a trap or other slowplaying m-f in place...It was funny, but it worked.

 


04/29/23 08:10 AM #27320    

 

David Cordell

Lowell asked, "Speaking of the clock.   How was playing with Tommy and them in golf... speed wise?"

David responds: Played with Tommy, Eddy Norton, and one of Eddy's Austin friends at the Jimmy Clay public course. It was in the high 40s, cloudy, and very windy. I was the only one not wearing winter golf gloves on both hands. (I removed mine from my bag a few days earlier on the assumption that they wouldn't be needed for about eight months. Ha!) I really don't like playing golf in the cold. My shoulders tense up -- not good for a golf swing. Anyway, we fell about half a hole behind at one point, but we weren't being pushed too much. By 18, we had a brief wait to hit our approach shots. I'm not sure how long it took to play the round, but it didn't seem longer than normal.

My auto wreck back injury was not helped by the cold, and several times in the round I skipped shots. I let loose on the drive on 18. Good drive, but bad idea. I think I have regressed a bit in the healing process. The good news is that the injury is on the left side. I have to restrict my backswing a bit, but the rest of the swing isn't too bad.

Hope Altuve heals quickly, but I wish he had a more discerning eye at the plate.


04/30/23 02:29 AM #27321    

 

David Wier

David C:

re: homophobia and pretty much all the misnomers you mentioned...including one sex or race over the other....

Bravo - I've been saying that for years!


04/30/23 02:35 AM #27322    

 

David Wier

Wayne:

when you said "LGBTQ+", I guess you don't know how behind the times you are (just kidding). I found out there are several letters on the end that I or we didn't know. Give us another month, and the letters will be a paragraph.

Here's what I found last week (probably out of date by now):

What does LGBTQIA2S+ mean? LGTBQIA2S+ is an acronym for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer and/or Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, Two-Spirit, and the countless affirmative ways in which people choose to self-identify

Don't get me started on 'pronouns'


05/01/23 06:42 AM #27323    

 

Wayne Gary

On this day in 1991 Nolan Ryan pitched his 7th no-hitter as the Rangers beat Blue-Jays 3-0


05/01/23 03:44 PM #27324    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Have any of you readers seen the movie, NEFARIOUS, or heard about it?  I noticed it is playing at a theatre or two in Austin, but I don't see it playing in Georgetown.  I think viewers can pay for it online and watch it at home.

It is supposed to be riveting and interesting at this time in our country's history and our lives.

You can watch the trailer of the movie online if you desire.

So many theatres are having a tough time resuming after the pandemic period.


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