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01/28/21 01:24 PM #20164    

 

Wayne Gary

Here's Johnny Mathis rendition.  He sings the words.




01/28/21 01:45 PM #20165    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Lance,

Your posts above are lovely!

I'm hoping to visit Paris and other wonderful cities in 2022, when Charles and I will be celebrating our 50th, even though our 50th will actually come in February 2023.  We hope to go in the late spring; possibly mid-May.

The architecture of Europe is just amazing, and the history is fascinating.  I've been wanting to "travel the continent," for the longest time.  I'm hoping the pandemic mess will be pretty much gone, with God's healing grace to help us all once again.
 


01/28/21 02:00 PM #20166    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Have been listening to one of my favorite radio programs once again this early afternoon, and have gotten a punch in the stomach, once again, just like I did when I realized on November 4th and 5th that our future in this country was basically over. 

Today it is confimed, as I had been convinced that it would be in time, that our country really is now a one party system, that Washington DC will become a state, and that our Supreme Court will soon be packed.  The reality that the Progressive Fascists have achieved their ultimate goal is so sad for me.  Actually, I am more than sad.  I don't think I have the words to express my sorrow, as I see all the pictures around my house of happy days, happy memories.

I continue to pray to my Father for guidance and strength for whatever is about to come, knowing that our country will not be as I had hoped it would be, and as our Founding Fathers had hoped and had designed.  Those brilliant men never envisioned how evilness would overtake us, as they assumed that we would not turn away from God.  They thought we would be stronger and smarter.

How frail we are!


01/28/21 03:21 PM #20167    

 

David Cordell

Lowell, Mike is lucky to have you as a friend. I sent him an email a few days ago after you mentined him, but he probably never saw it. Makes me sad. Yes, it was a thoughtful gesture on the part of Susan Melton Harden. She is a very nice person, and looked great at the Reunion.

Janalu, seems to me that liberal politicians used to be just wrong. Now they are power-crazed, mean-spirited, and wrong. I refuse to use the term progressive. Progress means moving forward, not moving leftward. 

Marty, I watched part of the video you posted. One thing that I never thought about -- electric car owners don't pay the gas tax that is used to build and maintain roads. Freeloaders!

Lance, I always liked Johnny Mathis. Greatest HIts album was excellent. Twelfth of Never, Chances Are, Wonderful Wonderful, It's Not for Me to Say. Great 8th-grade-dance-and-make-out-party album. Saw him in concert at the Myerson several years ago when he had just turned 80. Sounded very good, but blew the lyrics in two songs. Side note - he was born in Gilmer, Texas, as was The Eagles' Don Henley. 

About Begin the Beguine, my wife has on many occasions commented on the quality of Porter's lyrics and the fact that he wrote the words and the music. I've seen two movies on his life: De-Lovely with Kevin Kline and Night and Day with Cary Grant.

 


01/28/21 03:46 PM #20168    

 

David Cordell

About the so-called green new deal, I found this site to be very interesting. The US (# 87) is listed as surpassing WHO goals for air quality and is considerably better than the vast majority of the the industrialized world. So, let's up-end the economy, put people out of jobs, and scrap energy independence! Good plan!!!

https://www.iqair.com/us/world-most-polluted-countries

Oh, and the same site shows the most polluted cities. Take a look and see if you notice a geographical theme. Can you say, "Asia"? Must be the fault of the Keystone Pipeline. (NOT!)

https://www.iqair.com/us/world-most-polluted-cities

What happened to "follow the science"? Seems to me that the US is doing pretty damn well.

Here's a particularly interesting tidbit from the site. Houston - energy and refinery capital of the universe - has better air quality than Switzerland. Look it up.


01/28/21 03:55 PM #20169    

 

Jerry May

Well, we are getting our first of the two shots tomorrow. My sister Jan.....who is always skeptical of new medical treatment got her first with no problems. My nephew (her son who is a Nephrologist) told her..... "Mom, just get the shot!" Actually he has had his first as well. 

So with that we decided to just do it!~j 


01/28/21 04:41 PM #20170    

 

Steve Keene

Lance,

This gamestock stock market debaucle has crashed the market and upended the hedge fund money changers.  The Bible says there is nothing new under the sun.  I seem to recall a Bible story of someone else crashing the market, don't you?

 


01/28/21 06:34 PM #20171    

 

Holly Hobby

Hollis

Real quick. Thought it might help to humanize cold clinical CPR coding  Re: last night’s example:  transcatheter pacemaker removal:  male patient, age 53. hedge fund executive.  1200 miles from home.  presents in ER; clearly states cardio history. Flies home. Sees his cardio interventionist. Weeks later trying to figure out staggering bill for ER visit and procedure. Here’s what you’d  do:  think like a detective. You're looking for outliers. Look up every single CPT code.  Several CPT codes you have no way of knowing if doc make right decision. You’ll have to trust. That's okay.  Youre trying to solve Rubik cube.  Eventually pieces will fit. 

Upon close examination of CPT codes you see one of several reasons patient's  bill is so high. Among them:  ER charged for blood (protein /enzyme) test to r/o pregnancy.  You read that right.  53 yr old, male, sensitive lab test to make sure he wasn't pregnant. 

 Ex another case: :  female age 39  presents ER w/ stroke symptoms.  MRI reveals no stroke instead early onset cervical (neck) nerve impingement. Er doc prescribes analgesic/muscle relaxer discharging her w/ suggestion she follow up w/ neurologist. (*although diagnosis ortho, I agree w/ er doc; neurologist over orthoped. 

Weeks later patient trying to figure out how one visit to ER including MRI/radiologist reading could be over $24k?  Among several reasons, one of them:  individual charges for eleven (11) pre-anesthesia injections. Patient did not receive anesthesia or injection. The only invasive procedure was butterfly needle to deliver IV contrast solution for MRI.  IV needle butterfly or otherwise is not a pre-anesthesia  injection. 

Did I fight it? Oh yeah.  With a vengeance. Was it a quick take down? You’d think.  Even with supporting evidence  hospital (billing) administrators refused to roll over. Plan B only option left. Direct call to  CEO who got it corrected. Really nice guy. Liked him a lot. But “bill corrected” not enough. I wanted 25-30% discount. (Easier to comply than risk negative social media avalanche). ALWAYS ask for a discount.

Be fearless Hollis. Master the art of taking down the opposition in a way they end up hoping  to be friends with you.  link for visual that might better help understanding CPT coding

https://www.paramounthealthcare.com/assets/documents/medicalpolicy/PG0395_Leadless_Cardiac_Pacemakers.pdf


01/28/21 07:14 PM #20172    

 

Steve Keene

Lance,

I was not in the gamestock deal.  However, my brokerage just sent out a notice that they refuse to let you buy options on margin on gamestock, nokia, bed bath and beyond, and about ten other stocks with high short interest.  I have accumulated a fair amount of silver stocks preparing for what I feel will be a market crash this February or March.  The big hedge funds have been shorting on margin, silver stocks counting on the additional spending of the Biden administration.  This afternoon the reddit bunch that have been forced off reddit and now have their own site by invitation only, realized that silver stocks had high short interest.  They put out a directive to their members to take their stock call profits and get into silver stocks.  My AG and MAG holdings jumped 35% in an hour or two.  My PAAS and SVM are up 15%.  Talk about being in the right place at the right time.  I can't wait to see what they go to the next few days before the brokerages realize they need to restrict trading on them.  The brokerages are mad that the little guys are using the same means to screw the big hedge funds that they have used to screw us.  All these shenanigans generally signal a market top and will result in the crash coming sooner than later.  !929 here we come.  Better own some bitcoin and physical gold and silver and some cash to buy stocks after they crash.

If you really want to make a killing get you some QQQ puts, IWM puts, AMD and CAT puts to make money on the way down.  VXX calls will make a fortune, too.  Normally TLT calls would have been a natural buy, too.  However, with 30 trillion in debt, I fear bonds are ripe for default unless you have them on the bluest of blue chips.


01/28/21 07:34 PM #20173    

 

Steve Keene

Lance

The Lone Ranger can lead Silver to water, but he can't make him drink.


01/28/21 08:05 PM #20174    

 

David Cordell

Steve and Lance -- I am re-posting this from December 17.

_________________

I've mentioned Barnard Baruch's autobiography before. Here's another story he told.

Joseph Kennedy (father of JFK) was a Wall Street wizard in the late 1920s. He had his shoes shined by the same "bootblack" every day, as did other Wall Street types. The bootblack often overheard discussion among his clientele, and he shared some of it with Baruch. It seemed that every stock the bootblack touted went up significantly. Kennedy's response? He sold everything before the crash of 1929, saying, "A bootblack's market is no market for me."

I am concerned about the amount of speculation in the market. Price-earnings ratios are very high, dividend yields are very low. Airbnb had its initial public offering last week and immediately became worth more than Marriott, Hilton, and Intercontinental COMBINED! Every gamer and sports bettor is using Robinhood or some other platform to day-trade. Even major financial institutions are starting to bet on bitcoin. 

Lots of analysts think that 2021 will be a good year in the stock market, and maybe it will. But it seems to me that way too much of the action is built on speculation. Further, much of the money flowed into the market because interest rates are so low. The Fed is fueling the market, and so is enormous deficit spending for COVID-19.

I have 60-70% of my retirement funds in the stock market, which is more than most advisers would suggest for someone of my age. It has worked out well so far, but, as I have said before, at this point I am increasingly concerned about the return OF my money as opposed to the return ON my money.

That said, I have a bad case of FOMO -- fear of missing out. It is very hard for me to bail out when I am hearing so much about the upside.


01/28/21 08:14 PM #20175    

 

David Cordell

UNITY!




01/28/21 09:59 PM #20176    

 

David Cordell

Irish eyes are full of laughter - a few Irish chuckles for you:

Paddy was driving down the street in a sweat because he had an important meeting and couldn't find a parking place. Looking up to heaven he said, 'Lord take pity on me. If you find me a parking place I will go to Mass every Sunday for the rest of me life and give up me Irish Whiskey!' Miraculously, a parking place appeared. Paddy looked up again and said, 'Never mind, I found one.' ===============

 

Father Murphy walks into a pub in Donegal, and asks the first man he meets, 'Do you want to go to heaven? ' The man said, 'I do, Father.' The priest said, 'Then stand over there against the wall.' Then the priest asked the second man, 'Do you want to go to heaven?' 'Certainly, Father,' the man replied. 'Then stand over there against the wall,' said the priest. Then Father Murphy walked up to O'Toole and asked, 'Do you want to go to heaven?' O'Toole said, 'No, I don't Father.' The priest said, 'I don't believe this. You mean to tell me that when you die you don't want to go to heaven?' O'Toole said, 'Oh, when I die , yes. I thought you were getting a group together to go right now.' ===============

 

Paddy was in New York . He was patiently waiting and watching the traffic cop on a busy street crossing. The cop stopped the flow of traffic and shouted, 'Okay, pedestrians.' Then he'd allow the traffic to cross. He'd done this several times, and Paddy still stood on the sidewalk. After the cop had shouted, 'Pedestrians!' for the tenth time, Paddy went over to him and said, 'Is it not about time ye let the Catholics across?' ================

 

Gallagher opened the morning newspaper and was dumbfounded to read in the obituary column that he had died. He quickly phoned his best friend, Finney. 'Did you see the paper?' asked Gallagher. 'They say I died!!' 'Yes, I saw it!' replied Finney. 'Where are ye callin' from?' ================

 

An Irish priest is driving down to New York and gets stopped for speeding in Connecticut . The state trooper smells alcohol on the priest's breath and then sees an empty wine bottle on the floor of the car. He says, 'Sir, have you been drinking?' 'Just water,' says the priest. The trooper says, 'Then why do I smell wine?' The priest looks at the bottle and says, 'Good Lord! He's done it again!' =================

 

Walking into the bar, Mike said to Charlie the bartender, 'Pour me a stiff one - just had another fight with the little woman.' 'Oh yeah?' said Charlie, 'And how did this one end?' 'When it was over,' Mike replied, 'She came to me on her hands and knees.' 'Really,' said Charles, 'Now that's a switch! What did she say?' She said, 'Come out from under the bed, you little chicken.' =============

 

Paddy staggered home very late after another evening with his drinking buddy, Paddy. He took off his shoes to avoid waking his wife, Kathleen. He tiptoed as quietly as he could toward the stairs leading to their upstairs bedroom, but misjudged the bottom step. As he caught himself by grabbing the banister, his body swung around and he landed heavily on his rump. A whiskey bottle in each back pocket broke and made the landing especially painful. Managing not to yell, Paddy sprung up, pulled down his pants, and looked in the hall mirror to see that his butt cheeks were cut and bleeding. He managed to quietly find a full box of Band-Aids and began putting a Band-Aid as best he could on each place he saw blood. He then hid the now almost empty Band-Aid box and shuffled and stumbled his way to bed.. In the morning, Paddy woke up with searing pain in both his head and butt and Kathleen staring at him from across the room. She said, 'You were drunk again last night weren't you?' Paddy said, 'Why you say such a mean thing?' 'Well,' Kathleen said, 'it could be the open front door, it could be the broken glass at the bottom of the stairs, it could be the drops of blood trailing through the house, it could be your bloodshot eyes, but mostly, it's all those Band-Aids stuck on the hall mirror


01/28/21 10:48 PM #20177    

 

Steve Keene

David,

The history of the stock market reveals one indisputable fact.  The market acts to punish the largest volume of investors at one time.  This means if the whole world is doing one thing like experiencing FOMO and speculating on a continued rise, you need to be doing the opposite.  That is called contrarian investing and why the Kennedys still have their money.  The largest fortunes are made when you follow that course. (See the Big Short).  The tough part is getting the timing right. For that you need Gann technical analysis and wait on multiple 5th waves to coincide.


01/28/21 10:52 PM #20178    

 

Holly Hobby

Hollis

Laughed reading "released from grading prison." That sounds like loads of fun. I've spent way too much time on the forums. It's been fun but this time, I really have to get back to work.  I'll pm my email address and cell #.  Feel free to reach out if I might be of help. Here's to your getting paroled soon. 


01/29/21 02:32 AM #20179    

 

Holly Hobby

Hollis,

Together, we just helped hundreds, maybe more, people. All night  wracked my brain trying to figure out final layer Rubik cube.  

Had you not asked about CPT codes and had I not sincerely wanted to arm you with as much info as I could (on a forum) I wouldn't have just found introvertible evidence of health care fraud. 

Long story short: towards end of my post you'll  notice I segued to CPT codes effective Sept 8.  I did so in case you or someone you love might be trying to figure out a Covid related charge.  But only momnents ago did something hit me:  buried in the details was required criterion to justify use of particular CPT code.  That was it!  That was the final layer of the Rubik cube.   

That's why too many patients are seeing highly padded charges for Covid testing.  For lucky ones who have insurance, health care ins,  insurance companies are asleep at the wheel paying a significant portion, no questions asked. Those without insurance are screwed. Or were.  Had it not been for YOU,  I wouldn't have thought to drill  for criterion.  Thank you, Hollis! Lol

Tomorrow is going to be a great day. Well, for me. Not so much for execs of the health care entity.  Wish you were here to celebrate. laugh


01/29/21 10:41 AM #20180    

 

Wayne Gary

David,

With the Gampstop how did it work.  What were the day traiders doing to drive the stock up and make a profit? How did this hurt the bick companies?


01/29/21 11:41 AM #20181    

 

David Cordell

Wayne,

I just posted the following to my students. It is a Business Finance course rather than an investments course, but someone asked a question yesterday. So, I decided to post this.

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As I watch the stock market today, January 29, 2021, Game Stop's stock price is up by 74% for the day. It has gone from $19 one month ago to $335 today. It almost hit $500 during the trading day yesterday. What's happening?

Selling Short

Have you heard the phrase, "Don't sell yourself ï»¿short"? Do you know what it means?

Well, in the common vernacular, it means, "Don't underestimate (or undervalue) ï»¿ï»¿ï»¿ yourself." 

Under the category "Misc. videos" in the left margin of the class webpage, I have posted three short videos (less than a minute) that use some form of the term "sell short".

  • Hillary Clinton, referring to President Obama. (Crank up the volume)
  • The movie Moontruck with Cher and Nicholas Cage. (Really good movie. See if you can find it.)
  • A TV program about outlaw Jesse James.

Where does the term "sell short" come from?

Selling short is an activity in investing. Here is a brief explanation.

Normally, when we think a stock price will increase, we try to make money in stocks by buying at a lower price and selling at a higher price. But what if we think the stock price will go down? How can we make money?

One answer is through a short sale. Note that being "long" in a stock means that you own some of that stock. Being "short" in a stock means that you don't own the stock. In fact, you owe stock to someone else. Huh??

Here's an example of how a short sale works, with some simplifications.

  • You think the stock's price will fall significantly. It is currently trading for $50.
  • You borrow 100 shares through your broker. Not the dollar amount -- the number of shares. There is a fee associated with this.
  • You sell the stock for $5,000.
  • You are now "short" the stock.
  • You turn out to be right, and the stock price goes down to $40.
  • You buy back the shares for $4,000. 
  • You return the 100 shares to the broker.
  • You pocket the difference between the amount you sold it for and the amount you bought it back for, i.e. $1,000 less fees. 

Are these short sellers bad people for betting that the stock will go down? Well, they may be bad people for other reasons, but they serve a purpose. When they think stock price valuations are higher than justified, their sale of borrowed stock increases the supply of the stock relative to the demand. If there are enough short sellers, the price falls to a more reasonable level. Their actions make stock valuations more efficient.

The downside for a short seller is if the stock price goes up instead of down. If the price in the example above had gone up to $60, the short seller would have lost $1,000. Not only that, but the profits on a short sale are limited because the stock price can only go down to zero, but its upside is unlimited. In other words, the maximum gain is 100%, but the maximum loss is unlimited.

A big issue with Game Stop is that many hedge fund managers and other big investors sold Game Stop short. In fact the "short interest" in Game Stop was 140% on December 31. That means that more shares were sold short than the actual number of shares!

Apparently, a lot of relatively small investors, communicating through websites, decided to go long in Game Stop, knowing that there was very large short interest. This caused the price to go up. All the sudden, the short sellers were underwater. They had to buy back the shares to keep from losing even more money. They were in a "short squeeze" and had to buy back the stock at ever-increasing prices.

A very interesting incident involving short selling occurred in the 1860s involving Daniel Drew and Cornelius Vanderbilt (two-great grandfather of the late designer Gloria Vanderbilt and three-great grandfather of newscaster Anderson Cooper). I have read that, relative to the US gross domestic product, Vanderbilt was the second richest man in American history, second only to John D . Rockefeller, founder of Standard Oil. Here is the Wikipedia description of the Drew-Vanderbilt event.

In 1864, Drew once again struggled with Vanderbilt, speculating on the stock of the New York and Harlem Railroad. Drew was selling the stock short, but Vanderbilt and his associates bought every share he sold, ultimately causing the stock price to rise from 90 to 285 in five months. Drew lost $500,000.

Of course, $500,000 in 1864 was an unbelievably large amount. Licking his wounds, Drew is said to have lamented, "He who sells what isn't his'n must buy it back or go to prison."

I posted a more involved description of a short squeeze in the handouts. "Short Sale - What exactly is a short squeeze?"

If you want to see a more visual, dramatized version of short selling, watch the movie The Big Short with Christian Bale, Steve Carrell, Ryan Gosling, Brad Pitt, and Marisa Tomei. It relates to the mortgage market rather than the stock market, but the effect is the same. The movie even gives a few brief explanations of the mechanics of the short sale.  It might help to read this Wikipedia article before watching the movie.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Short_(film)


01/29/21 11:57 AM #20182    

 

Bob Davidson

David,

My guess as to why some of those college experiences are still vivid to me and not you is that a number of my college professors were inspiring to me and changed my life.  Since July I've been bicycle riding with the dogs every evening it isn't raining, for over an hour.  Despite all the exercize, my blood pressure, pulse rate, and weight haven't changed; however, my appetite has shrunk and my clothes are loose.  The bike rides are a good time to muse over things and I take advantage of that.

I was musinjg about why I have some strong memories about professors and classes.  I, of course, have sharp memories of the amazing women I met -- especially the ones who broke my heart and the ones whose hearts I broke, and the ones where those categories overlap. 

When I think about college one thing that stands out is that I ran into teachers who thought the way I do and seemed to appreciate my ideas.  In high school, I felt disliked by the teachers who weren't indifferent.  In Meyers-Briggs terms, RHS was an SJ institution, designed and run by SJs for the benefit of other SJs.  The part of UT we encountered was pure NT.  (Depending on what expert you look at, 35 to 40% of the population is SJ, an equal portion is SP, and NT and NFs are the remainder.)  The essential difference between the SJs and NTPs like me is they have the overwhelming need for order, control, and predictibility.  NTPs live for exploring, learning, and creating. 

When my son was in kindergarten, his teacher had written her Master's thesis for the guy who developed the Meyers-Briggs test for children.  The gifted-talented program HISD had at the time was justified as an anti-gang measure; they didn't mention the personality types, the advocates for the program showed the school board that the students who benefit by g-t programs are also the ones who form (as opposed to join) gangs and they are identifiable through proper testing.and controllable with proper education.  The HISD Vanguard program when my kids were in it was gold for a small portion of the student popuation.  They have since diluted it with equity cultural marxism into the shell of its former self.  My son and daughter managed to get a first-rate education in a decaying big city school system.  Our neighborhood elementary school was one of the two designated district-wide g-t programs at the time.  There were complicated political manueverings that went on, but it was helped by the fact that our little neighborhood always had the dominant school board member living here during that time.

That teacher did a seminar for the parents obstensibly about dealing with their difficult smart kid.  She had us all take the adult M-B test beforehand and spent two nights showing us how things worked.  I was working for the FDIC at the time and our personnel people made us take that test and did presentations -- like all the workplace diversity training, and other h.r. crap we had to sit through.  We trial lawyers generally skipped those timewasters because we were in court or depositions or mediations or something outside the office at the time.  I went into the teacher's program totally skeptical.

That lifted when she divided us into the four temperments.  I am a fan of Carl Jung (we have the same birthday) and am familiar with Jungian psychology so the framework of four key personality traits was easy to see, but dividing the people blew my mind. 

There were two tables of people like my ex-wife, the women in their Talbot's and Ann Taylor outfits, the guys neatly dressed in labeled clothes, with their organizers out diligently taking notes, on the left of the teacher.  They were evenly spaced around two tables and obviously convinced that they were the elite.  Those folks have always scared the crap out of me -- they are smart in a way I just don't understand.  They usually dislike me, hate my humor, and make sure I know it -- like the RHS teachers and administration or Donette Moss.  They are the sensor-judgers: SJs.  The arch-enemies of the NTP.  Administrators.

There was another group, mainly women, of Heights hipsters (the arty people who moved away when the McMansion vermin took over the neighborhood) -- long dresses, sandals, long old-style hippie hair. The guys were the type who wear bow ties with a suit.  They were bunched together at the end of one table, whispering together in the middle of the room. There were about as many of them as the SJs.  They are the intuitive feelers:  NFs.  Artists, psychologists people in helping professions.

Another group sat in the back, with their arms folded, laughing at the whole thing.  They had expensive watches, purses, and designer labels on their clothers.  There weren't too many of them.  They were the sensory perceivers: SPs.  Salesmen.

The teacher told the other people where to sit and told our group, "Get a chair and sit where you want.  I'm not going to try to tell you what to do because I don't want to argue."  We pulled up chairs and sat in a row to the right, eveyone with crossed arms and legs, looking skeptical.  We were the NTs.  We were dressed comfortably but no designer labels.  Intuitive thinkers. 

The teacher was an NF whose dad was a retired Air Force intelligence officer and her mom a child psychologist, both NTs.  As she told the parents, "I'm used to dealing with the critters in my family."  She presented the information as a guide for SJs to understanding their difficult children. 

No one had ever explained to me the differences in people's thought processes before that.  It was an epiphany for me.  My ex saw it as showing the personal failings and moral shortcomings of people who are not INTJ.  She skipped the second session.  That orientation towards one type is why schools love workbooks, repetition, and drilling the same material over and over -- and why it's torture of a number of us.

I went back to work, got together with the other litigator-bank closer attorney (three of us combined those jobs, the other one was deputy managing attorney), who was a great believer in Meyers-Briggs. She and I both tested ENTP, with the E and T being somewhat in the middle and the N and P being overwhelming. We got the personnel guy to share everyone's profile with us by being interested in what he was doing.  We then experimented with different methods of getting them to do things.  We figured that our sexual difference would take that off the table as a reason -- i.e., solidarity or sexism, if we both used the different methods on the same people.

What happened was mind-blowing amazing.  If you try to persuade SJs with mere logic, it sounds like noise to them.  If you use the procedures manual, they will do anything.  It doesn't even have to make sense so long as it follows procedures and they are convinced they can't get into trouble.  They love lists of things to do but don't want to know reasons.  The FDIC middle management types are all SJs (usually ESTJ); so are paralegals (ISTJ).

With SPs, it's personal.  Especially the female ESFPs, which is the legal secretary profile.  They will walk through broken glass for you if they like you and you personalize things.  They will do nothing if they don't.  They hate paralegals -- bitches who drop lists of things to do in their inboxes.  The paralegals think the secretaries don't like them because of sexism and the fact that they aren't lawyers.

With NTs, you reason with them.  If they accept your reasoning they are on board.  If not, you better convince them.  NFs are similar, except that they need to feel right.  Knowing isn't enough for them.  The lawyers everyone loved were ENFs.  The ones they were scared of were NTs.  The ones they hated were INTJ.  We had no SP lawyers.

It still works.  Most NTs think it is like astrology -- NFs get it.  I have no clear idea what SJ or SP people think, or how they do.

 

 

 

 


01/29/21 12:26 PM #20183    

 

Wayne Gary

Bob

Interesting post.  I found it amusing but do not follow the initials (SJ, NTP and other). 

I remember A&M we discussed some of the aptitude tests.  We were in industrial distribution (Industrial/engineering sales and mgt). One thing pointed out was that good salesmen could not easily put into a box. We crossed over the lines.  I know it is true since I spent my carrier in industrial sales.


01/29/21 03:22 PM #20184    

 

Bob Davidson

Wayne,

The Meyers-Briggs traits are pretty basic:

I - E:  introvert vs. extrovert.  The key here is whether you get energy from being with other people or if it tires you and you need to be alone to recharge.  Most people are somewhat in-between.

S - N:  sensor vs. intuitive:  The key here is sensors get the picture from amassing the details and intuitives see the big picture and make connections to understand the picture.  Sensors mostly think connections are mumbo jumbo and intuitives aren't impressed with a collection of facts without connections. 70-80 percent of people are sensors.

T - F:  thinker vs. feeler:  The key here is how someone makes decisions.  Thinkers use basic truth and principles.  Feelers use how it affects others and people's points of view.  Most people are a mixture.  Think Mr. Spock vs. Troi or David C vs. Holly.  60-70%  of women are feelers and 60-70% of men are thinkers.  It's the only one with a big sex gap.

J - P: judgers vs. percievers:  Judgers want definite plans leading to closure.  Perceivers enjoy the ride and like spontaniety and aren't focused on closure.

There are four big groups:  SJ, SP, NF, and NT.  Sixteen subgroups.  For sensors the most imortant second group is whether they are judgers or percievers, while with intuitives the most important second group is that they are thinkers or feelers.

Ideally people should be somewhere in the middle in all traits so people aren't an ISTJ like they are Italian or a Leo; it's reflective of how they predominately deal with the world.  Some people change with experience.

The structure of the Navy, for instance, is based on seamen being SP, Chiefs SJ, and officers NT. 

The problem is that each of the ways of perceiving the world makes it a little hard to see other people who do things differently

 


01/29/21 05:03 PM #20185    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Can someone explain to me how the Paris Climate Accords are going to change anything about world climate, except to extract money from American taxpayers to distribute around the globe?  Isn't that the ultimate aim of "The Accords Deal?"

If we, in our country, clean up our emissions to a huge degree, say we get to 20% "cleanliness" of our air quality, and we know that Denmark, the Scandinavian countries, and a few other countries in Europe are trying to clean their air quality as well, what will that total of air quality control give the world?

Maybe about one tenth of the atmosphere could be said to be clean?  One tenth?  

So one tenth of the atmosphere will be "technically" clean, while nine tenths remain dirty?  Are those the figures that we will have, approximately?  One tenth, or even say, two tenths will be "cleansed of greenhouse gases," but eight tenths of the world emissions will still be "uncleansed?"  Even after twenty years of our country and some European nations, plus Scandinavians making efforts to obey the Paris Climate Rules," we are STILL going to be WAY behind the "Eight Ball," are we not?  And then what?  Are we then going to have to come up with jillions of dollars to give to other "developing nations" to have them enabled to be clean quality nations?  Is that the whole idea?

Are we suppose to redistribute our earnings, to huge land-mass countries worldwide, to become compliant to The Paris Climate Accords?  Which will take how long at OUR expense?  Aren't the talking heads on our news media outlets telling us, along with John Fricking Kerry, that we only have maybe twenty years before we destroy our planet?

Seems to me that this whole, shall we say "scam," is just a way to suck money from the US and some small European countries, to give to many other gigantic countries, who are currently "getting a pass," towards compliancy because they are labeled as "developing countries," by the United Nations; the United Nations who historically "screws" the US royally everytime they meet!  They(UN) hate us, don't they?  Or maybe they are just jealous of what we have accomplished in our history as a young nation, compared to the other nations of the world. (Consider Africa----The nation from where all of mankind came---the nation that virtually remains the same as it was from the beginning of recorded history----Very little change at all!)

And have you seen the skyline photos of Chinese major cities lately?  They have HUGE amounts of money to build gigantic, very modern buildings and highways, but they are labeled as a "developing country," unable to clean up their air quality?  HUH?  WTHeck?  Do they think we are blind and stupid? 

Or are we just SUCKERS manipulated by the UN and our current administration's bullying tactics?


01/29/21 06:29 PM #20186    

 

David Cordell

Wayne, 

There are lots of images on Google Images of Myers-Briggs classifications.

Bob D.

I think I took the Myers-Briggs assessment in college. Don't remember my classification. I'm a bit worried that if I find out what I "am", I might regret not taking advantage of that self-knowledge in my adult life. I want to take a evaluation that concludes, "Damn! You're fabulous! Don't change a thing!"

Yeah, I understand that it isn't supposed to be a matter of good versus bad characteristics, but couldn't it be a bit unsettling to find out that you're not what you think you are?


01/29/21 10:16 PM #20187    

 

Steve Keene

Ron,

You need to post a profile picture so we can know what you look like.  Post a picture that shows your personality like one with a painted face while wearing a buffalo horn hat.


01/29/21 10:24 PM #20188    

 

Steve Keene

David and Wayne,

The stock market these days can be summed up by a quote from Charles McKay's book, Extroardinary Popular Illusions and the Madness of Crowds.   The quote is:  "Money has often been a cause of the delusion of the multitudes.  Sober nations have all at once become desperate gamblers and risk their existence on the turn of a piece of paper.  Men, it has been well said, think in herds.  It will be seen that they go mad in herds and only recover their senses slowly and one by one."

 

 


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