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07/23/20 03:28 PM #18550    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

David,

My college experience was limited, so I don't feel like my personal experience would add any credibility to the arguement that college professors of certain subjects tend to teach only liberal ideals.  First of all I went to a Fashion Merchandising trade school, Miss Wade's.  There I learned all about fabrics, designers, accounting and how to paint my face and pluck my eyebrows properly.  I also learned the fine art of dodging aggressive males who thought I was a piece of meat, bought and paid for and could enter my dressing room without knocking.  There I learned how to be agressive to protect myself.

Years later, following a brief modeling career, and failed marriage, I met Danny and decided to go to college part time in an attempt to up my pay scale and get a degree.  So I enrolled at UT Arlington and took a variety of basic freshman and sophmore classes, ie, english 1 & 2, biology 1 & 2 plus a lab, phychology, math (for business majors) and a drawing course.  I made A's in all but the math course, which I dropped.  It was a survey course of wide proportions which overwhelmed me.  This course included algrebra, calculus and differential equations, in one semester.  Sheesh, I barely made a passing grade in geometry in high school. All of my professors stayed right on topic and were extremely professional, include Mr. Hard (not kidding that was his name) my math professor.  I dropped the course while still passing.  It was the drawing course that took the cake and I most enjoyed for many reasons.  Also it was the most "liberal" and liberating in many ways.  Best part were the live models.  Yes, we had two one male and one female.  Both completely in the buff.  The most interesting part about that, once you got over the shock of a live still naked person sitting in front of you for and entire week of classes, was the reaction and resulting artwork of your fellow students.  It was interesting how the drawings turned out.  Let us just say that the faint of heart left out all of the genital areas.  I guess they just could bring themselves to draw parts that they felt should be covered, or at the ripe old age of 20, they were prudish at heart.  Me, I just drew what I saw.  It beat the hell out of fighting off vendors at Market Hall, but I was 25, divorced and living on my own.  I think I was one of the older students in the class.

My point is this:  Whatever character traits you have when you become an adult (18,19, 20), is who you are and who you will be.  The foundation has been laid.  Your parents had all that time to influence you.  So too, their friends, relations, churches, organizations and public school.  It is hard for me to believe that a few years in college transforms fine upstanding young men and women, with firm ideas and idealogies impressed by these institutions are so easily unraveled by a few college professors with some radical ideas. That being so, then all those prior years with mom, dad, church and public service, were all a complete and utter waste of time.  Either that or the foundations laid were weak to begin with.


07/23/20 08:42 PM #18551    

 

Lowell Tuttle

I thought Ball of Confusion would get me through reading Sandra's, David's, and Lance's posts but it ended in the middle of Sandra's.  If you guys are going to render longer posts, please start with a couple of fairly long music pieces.  It's nice to listen with headphones on and read at the same time.

I was going to appologize for bitchin...but as I though of the term, bitchin, my mind began to wander.

We were watching the Yankees and Nationals, but they got a deluge, so I moved to my office and the laptop.

Now back to the TV. 

We are in between binge shows.  I really liked Absentia, and they just released season 3.

So, we started another last night.  We were into episode 2 before we realized we had already watched The Widow...so now we are trying to figure out what to watch next.

Meanwhile, does anyone like The Simpsons as much as Susie and I do?

Back to mid-Sandra.

Back edited...

On whether we are all formed by 19 or 20.  I think that is correct, but, I am not sure the influence of home, church, peers, all affected to the final form.  I think our environment had a big part of it.

What do you guys think Watergate did to the kids that came up a couple of years after us?  I think it may them more synical than we were.

Another influence...(I think) Clinton's extra marital stuff.

Of course 9 11 was big. 

Just a few influential environment things can affect. 


07/23/20 08:43 PM #18552    

 

David Cordell

Sandra,

I really disagree with you about the 18-20 year olds. They arrive at campus with one view of the world, and then they run into a bunch of smart professors who convince them that everything they knew was wrong. 

For about eight years I represented UT Dallas on the Faculty Advisory Committee for UT System, which meets in Austin three or four times per year. The various informal between sessions discussions clearly revealed the leftward bent of the representatives from the various schools. 

At one meeting an English Literature professor from one of the schools commented almost gleefully about how much she enjoyed challenging conservative freshmen who hadn't ever been challenged by liberal ideas. I asked her if she enjoyed challenging liberal students who hadn't ever been challenged by conservative ideas.

Crickets.

 


07/23/20 08:47 PM #18553    

 

David Cordell

Lowell,

We are celebrating the start of baseball season by watching Bull Durham.


07/23/20 09:29 PM #18554    

 

Lowell Tuttle

Lance, parenting is huge on what the parent does, how they handle themselves around the house, at the games, in the church, at social events, and (if the kid sees it) at work.

At least that's what I think.

You don't have to to anything but love the kids.  

Of course if you love them, everything should be easy.

Some people are screwed up and have kids, I guess, and love has a weird way of showing.  I didn't have that, so I can only reflect on what I have seen...

I have one customer who is hands- on type contractually.  They almost always come in to renew.  The parents don't speak English too well.  I get my Mrs. McIntosh/Senor Rodguiguez pig spanish into the act...We get it worked out...But in the last couple of years, their daughter has started coming in with them.  She, of course, is better able to translate.  It has been about 2-3 years with her coming in (now about 16.)  I now lean on her to help them understand.  Recently, the dad bought two brand new cars and added  his son (young) and the rates are way out of sight...

I wonder how the parents look or have affected the daughter...

He provides well, and mom dad are always together on everything...still, I wonder where the parents fit in within the kids' environment.


07/23/20 11:20 PM #18555    

 

Steve Keene

Lowell,

Glad you enjoyed my "Ball of Confusion" post.  I hope it partially makes up for me considering the option to whack you on the other site after I was referred to as an idiot.  

I have noticed that parenting seems to have a cultural (racial) component, as well.  Hispanic parents never contract a babysitter it seems.  Everywhere I go, I run into them with their kids with them in tow even when the venue is inappropriate for children.  I do not know if it is a protection issue having mostly been born in a dangerous environment in countries with corrupt governments or a family history of always doing things together.   Women seem to carry a majority of the burden in many black families while the father is often absent.  Perhaps the fathers have been held down and made to feel like victims for so long that they resort to alcohol, crime, gang affiliations and promiscuity to assuage their feelings of inadequacy.  White children seem to be most affected as latch key kids with both parents occupied with the pursuit of a career that takes more and more work hours to get ahead these days.  This results in the children getting in trouble, considering suicide and sometimes abusing drugs.  Asian children seem to have a built in drive that makes them want to overcome the negative situations in their past.  They revere their grandparents and parents and would commit suicide rather than disappoint them.

We are all different in many ways, some good and some bad.  It is comforting that despite all our differences God loves all of us the same.

I love the old Simpsons.  I get a kick out of the billboard and the chalkboard.  The situation comedy is every bit as good as any live action like Seinfeld or Big Bang Theory.  However, lately the episodes have been injected with an anti Trump liberal bias that has destroyed most of the humor.  The same thing has happened on the Tonight Show and Saturday Night Live.  The forced political message ruins the comedy.  The best comedians like Carson and Leno took shots at both sides.


07/24/20 01:05 AM #18556    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

David,

Have a Happy 69th!  Hope your special day is terrific!


07/24/20 01:26 AM #18557    

 

Steve Keene

David,

Hope your day is fun.  When I thought of your birthday during my late afternoon nap, I dreamed I felt a great loving glow emanating from the celebration with your friends and neighbors.  I woke up and looked to the north.  The glow was not a dream, half of Collin County was bathed in light.  Sirens were going off.  The traffic was shut down in your neighborhood.  Then I realized the truth.  You had just lit the candles on your cake.


07/24/20 09:28 AM #18558    

 

Jerry May

Happy Birthday David!  Hope you have a great 69th!


07/24/20 10:05 AM #18559    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Happy birthday David, welcome to the 69 club.


07/24/20 10:35 AM #18560    

 

Ron Knight

I join in saying

Happy Birthday David!


07/24/20 01:08 PM #18561    

 

David Cordell

Thanks for the birthday greetings. Feelin' good!

Separately -- 

We have had 17 deaths among the 270,000 residents of Plano. I asked the Plano spokeswoman 1) if the COVID-19 death counts include people who died WITH the virus or BECAUSE of the virus, and 2) if the higher number of Plano COVID-19 deaths  in zip code 75075 (11 of the 17) might be related to some specific nursing home. Below is her response. Also, a chart-- note that there are some stats for Collin County (population 1,070,000) and some for Plano.

David Cordell, 3413 Melanie Lane, Plano, TX 75023

-----Original Message-----
From: Shannah via Nextdoor <reply@rs.email.nextdoor.com>
To: cordelldm@aol.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2020 8:53 am
Subject: Private message: COVID-19

 

Good morning!
1) I don't have an answer to this. When deaths are reported to us, they say the individual had COVID but no additional detail. This morning, our team did an analysis of all 72 deaths in Collin County and discovered all 72 had underlying health conditions as well as COVID.
2) We don't know for certain why there are so many cases in the zip code (75075), though if you look at previous reports of deaths, you'll see several who were residents of long-term care facilities in the area.

 

07/24/20 06:52 PM #18562    

 

Ron Knight

On a different subject...

I've gotten away from Backgammon Tournaments online for a while and refocused on reading books. I just finished Phillip Zweigs' captivating book "Belly Up" about the collapse of a medium sized bank in northwest Oklahoma City, OK called Penn Square Bank that almost took down the National Banking system as we know it. At the time, called the worst disaster since The Great Depression. For any of you with business, oil and gas, banking or financial backgrounds OR are simply intriqued with American Greed, it is a must read.

Moving on...

For all of us old Dallasites (or near to be's), another book called "Hidden Dallas" by Kirk Dooley is a must have. It is a treasure of knowledge of our beloved town; ie...

"FIRST VIADUCT - 1912

Now called the Houston Street Viaduct, it was called the Oak Cliff Viaduct in 1912. At the time it was the longest concrete bridge in the world."

Stay safe and healthy my friends,

Ron

 


07/24/20 06:53 PM #18563    

 

Mike Marks

Happy Birthday David!

Thanks for all of your efforts with this website to keep our Eagle class of 1969 connected.


07/24/20 08:10 PM #18564    

 

David Cordell

Thanks, Mike, and you're welcome!


07/24/20 08:14 PM #18565    

 

Hollis Carolyn Heyn

All you 69ers turning 69. Cool.
Happy birthday, David.

07/24/20 10:37 PM #18566    

 

David Cordell

Thank you, ma'am.


07/25/20 09:42 AM #18567    

 

Wayne Gary

Ron,

The great flood of 1908 severed Oak Cliff from Dallas for over a week with the only way to cross the Trinity River by small steam river boat.  The forced the creation of the Houston Street bridge.


07/25/20 12:26 PM #18568    

 

David Cordell

Lance, I don't delve into ethics much except for a few vignettes that are in the text. 

Here is a great story about teaching that checks out on Snopes, where there is also a video of Mike Huckabee telling the story in 2007. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/desk-jockeyed/

NOW SHE IS A TEACHER!

 

In September of 2005, on the first day of school, Martha Cothren, a history teacher at Robinson High School in Little Rock did something not to be forgotten. On the first day of school, with the permission of the school superintendent, the principal and the building supervisor, she removed all of the desks in her classroom. When the first period kids entered the room they discovered that there were no desks.
 
'Ms. Cothren, where are our desks?'

She replied, 'You can't have a desk until you tell me how you earn the right to sit at a desk.'

They thought, 'Well, maybe it's our grades.' 'No,' she said.

'Maybe it's our behavior.' She told them, 'No, it's not even your behavior.'

And so, they came and went, the first period, second period, third period. Still no desks in the classroom.  Kids called their parents to tell them what was happening and by early afternoon television news crews had started gathering at the school to report about this crazy teacher who had taken all the desks out of her room.

The final period of the day came and as the puzzled students found seats on the floor of the desk-less classroom.  Martha Cothren said, 'Throughout the day no one has been able to tell me just what he or she has done to earn the right to sit at the desks that are ordinarily found in this classroom.  Now I am going to tell you.'

At this point, Martha Cothren went over to the door of her classroom and opened it.  Twenty-seven (27) U.S. Veterans, all in uniform, walked into that classroom, each one carrying a school desk.  The Vets began placing the school desks in rows, and then they would walk over and stand alongside the wall.  By the time the last soldier had set the final desk in place those kids started to understand, perhaps for the first time in their lives, just how the right to sit at those desks had been earned.

Martha said, 'You didn't earn the right to sit at these desks. These heroes did it for you.  They placed the desks here for you.  They went halfway around the world, giving up their education and interrupting their careers and families so you could have the freedom you have. Now, it's up to you to sit in them.  It is your responsibility to learn, to be good students, to be good citizens.  They paid the price so that you could have the freedom to get an education.  Don't ever forget it.'

 

By the way, this is a true story.  And this teacher was awarded the Veterans of Foreign Wars Teacher of the Year for the State of Arkansas in 2006.  She is the daughter of a WWII POW.

 


07/25/20 12:28 PM #18569    

 

Ron Knight

Lance - Re: Belly Up in the classroom

I can't speak for David, and he would be much more in tune to today's students than most all of us, but I would say for myself that this book I feel would be a great tool in the classroom. After the Penn Square Bank collapse a domino effect occured and took down many banks and residually culminated with the S&L crash in the late 1980's (which I was a part of). Without giving away the story, part of the reason of the Penn Square collapse  - and there is plenty of blame to go around- was the Big Three Regulators; The Comptroller of Currency, The Fed and the FDIC. Bank Examiners could have prevented the collapse had they taken approriate action early on, but they allowed the renegade bank to continue it's questionable lending practices. Oil and Gas prices started falling and eroded the collateral of the loans. I'm sure our own Phil Dyer could share some insights to banking.

The lesson that could be learned from this book could be used as a pre-cursor to the the collapse of the World Market crash of Mortgage Back Securities in 2008. They are parallel stories  with Penn Square about Oil and Gas lending and then shoddy lending practices in home loans. I lived the life of the S&L struggles in my career. When automated underwriting came into vogue for B Paper lending, to me that single event led to the crash. Too many Fraudlent loans were being made by unscrupulous loan officers and bought up by the Big Banks and packaged in blocks of say $10M (and much more) and sold to Wall Street. When interest rates rose and housing sales slumped, people could not keep up with Adjustable Rate Motrgage (ARMs) payments and the foreclosures spread like wildfire. It was finally in the examination of the defaults that the regulators discovered that so many of those loans had fraud in them. Too many people were put into ARMs that should have been in fixed rate mortgages. But the renegade loan officers were putting people into B Paper ARMs so they could make a lot of extra money off the fees those mortgages generated. It sent the market crashing.

So, yes I believe the book Belly Up could be used in the classroom.


07/25/20 03:59 PM #18570    

 

Steve Keene

Ron, 

I remember well those days when the S & L guys were lending money then reappraising the properties at a higher valuation and so on and so on.  At the Texas Stadium box my mother-in-law co-owned a quarter with Commerical Real Estate and Mansion saleswoman Carolyn Shamus, Bingo King David Schindler and owner of La Bare Willie Sears, one of the bad guys in this real estate scam was a frequent visitor.  His name was Danny Faulkner and he controlled much of the real estate from Mesquite to Lake Ray Hubbard, putting up mainly cheap apartment buildings that had exorbitant rents.  He was uneducated but had a knack for talking bank presidents and appraisers into anything.  He wore a diamond ring on his hand that made the Cowboy Super Bowl rings look like cheap rock chips. He also had a helicopter and pad right on I-30 and the beach of the Lake on the North side of the freeway across from where BassPro Shop is located these days.


07/25/20 05:07 PM #18571    

 

Ron Knight

Steve

Back in those day several crazy, gunslinger types were running the lending show of both banks and S&L's. In fact the difference between banks and S&L's became a very grey area as regulations changed. It was hard to tell the difference sometimes between the two. For the layman out there,  traditionally banks were typically for auto loans, personal loans, etc while S&L's were for home loans.

I never knew Danny Faulkner personally, but for most of his dealings he was just the uneducated puppet for the real criminals behind the flip scam in those condos on Lake Ray Hubbard. Your friend and mine Joanie B. and I used to talk about Danny and the infamous Ed Mc Birney aka Fast Eddie of Sunbelt Savings. I know Ed and still consider him a friend. I would go out to dinner with him anytime and have on many occasions, just the two of us. He is a very engaging person when he wants to be.  But, I wouldn't trust him with one penny of my money on any deal he was in on after being burned by him on a deal.

Those days were fueled by President Carter signing legislation that allowed special consideration for deep oil and gas drilling ( 15,000 feet plus)  mainly in the Anadarko Basin of Oklahoma. You had the TV show Dallas, depicting crazy times every week nationally in our homes, so I guess it was just natural that some banks and S&L's were living reality like the fantasy it was. JR got shot and Penn Square Bank went "Belly Up"!


07/25/20 05:52 PM #18572    

 

Ron Knight

More Glimpses of Kirk Dooley's book Hidden Dallas

First Street - c. 1840

Preston Road was here before Dallas was. It was the trail that John Neely Bryan followed when he came here. It began at Holland Coffee's Trading Post on the Red River ( now underwater at Lake Texhoma) and followed the watershed line between two rivers to what is now downtown Dallas. It was popular because there were no large rivers or creeks to cross. Today Preston Road follows that same path.

First SMU Football Game - 1915

The Mustangs took it on the chin against TCU, 43-0, coming right out of the chute. But if you think that's bad, the next year SMU lost to Baylor, 61-0; lost to Texas A&M 62-0; lost to the University of Texas, 74-0; before finally getting on the scoreboard, losing to Rice 143-3. At least they had a team back then ( remember this book was written when SMU had recieved the NCAA "Death Penalty" for rules violatations).

Enjoy and stay safe,

Ron

 

 

 


07/25/20 07:16 PM #18573    

 

David Cordell

Ladies, did you have a bad relationship with a man?

You might enjoy this.

https://www.facebook.com/LaniNashMusic/videos/569432490637040/

On a more serious note, this is very interesting -- Navajo code talkers in WWII.




07/25/20 10:03 PM #18574    

 

David Cordell

My son Christopher was in the tour of the Broadway musical Ragtime, which had about  20 black actors in the cast. In Vancouver, most of the black actors gathered on Sunday night and had their own private religious meeting that included singing spirituals. My wife, who is not black, was taking care of Christopher, and she weaseled their way into the the Sunday evening worship.

I was reminded of that when I saw James Corden's Carpool Karaoke with Kanye West. The Christians among us will enjoy this.




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