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05/30/14 12:13 AM #597    

Tom Grimes

Holly,

Yes, it's true: Hull must have been 16 or 17 and he's into A Man and a Woman? Nothing pornographic about it, as I recall. There may have been a little something here and there. But I recall it as being tame. (Maybe I saw the edited version....) The remarkable thing is that its storyline would generally be viewed as over the head of a 17-year old -- complicated afdult relationships. And the movie theme wasn't rock (or whatever was faddish at the time). A real classy theme, very sophisticated. But Hull had what advertising people today call "pop." He was cool. I admired they guy's wit, his timing, and his accute observations of the circumstances he found himself in.

Now this is where constructive memory could be getting me into trouble. I might be "remembering" a Hull Barbee who didn't actually exist. I've often thought of Hull over the years and doing that tends to embelish long-term memories by mapping onto those original memories recollections and musings developed at much later times. Those later musings tend to bend and refract original memories so that you "remember" something that didn't really happen. OK, I'm getting professorial so I need to stop. But...these are my best recollections.     

 


05/30/14 10:49 AM #598    

Karlan Fairchild

In a very brief response to your question regarding Denise, yes, she did graduate from RHS.  Both she and Larry were in the Class of 1966.  Regarding your comment about grief, Holly, I really appreciate it.  Although this is certainly much more difficult for Larry and Jaime, Denise's daughter, it's also really difficult for Linda because she and Denise were very close, probably much closer that sisters-in-law usually become.  One of the more remarkable aspects of the funeral/memorial service was the high number of friends from that Class of 1966 who attended, some of whom drove multiple hours to get there and support Larry and Jaime.  Their friendship for more than 50 years (due to the fact that many of them became friends long before they graduated) is truly amazing.

And on a final note, prayers for Larry certainly are welcome.

Blessings.


05/30/14 03:01 PM #599    

Tom Grimes

Holly,

It's interesting that you've been commenting about Cherokees. My great-grandmother's mother (born in 1848) was a sarape-wearing, feather-wearing Cherokee who married a Texan shortly after the Civil War. I have a pic of her in all her Indian sartorial splendor. Anyhow, her in-laws hated her and wouldn't let her in the house. She had to eat outside at family gatherings. She was considered subhuman and otherwise filthy. My great-grandmother was humilitated at having an Indian for a mother and hated Indians all her life. (Sort of the real-life version of "Imitation of Life" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052918/ ). Now you add that fact to my recent discovery that my grandfather was Jewish and yet claimed, instead, that he was of Scottish-Italian extraction, and you have a really interesting situation: "Imitation of Life" X 2. Indeed, my Jewish grandfather kept a stash of news clippings about his favorite entertainer, Al Jolson. Now, at last, his fascination with Jolson makes sense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jolson). I suspect Jolson's "The Jazz Singer" must have had some sort of resonance for him. Just a guess. 

Well, I don't know why I brought this up. A kind of non-sequitur. That said, I do seem to come from people who don't like, or are embarrassed, by their heritage.  


05/30/14 04:40 PM #600    

 

Marsha Brown (Johnson)

I'm loving this forum even more than I did at first because FINALLY NOW we're into talking about REAL life and NOT the past-do you remember the time we.....       Karlan, I feel so bad for Larry and Jaimie. I didn't know Larry but my husband did because Larry protected him from some particular 'bully' that was there and for that Bryan loves him and has NEVER forgotten that!!!!! I have a feeling there were a great many BULLIES in school-there are still some around even now!  Holly, you are so right to say to Larry, Jaimie, Karlan, and their family that we aren't going to be separated long. Just for a little while. You know, I had patients when I was a chaplain that would tell their family "to meet them at the East Gate of Heaven and they would be waiting for them to get there!!!" Such an awesome testimony!!!! I've seen many believers that are leaving for a little while reaching for the angels or saying Jesus was there to get them, etc. I'm sure Karlan, you've seen that also. Unfortunately for those that don't believe in Jesus, they can't get past a death and I'm so sorry for them and can only pray that through the experience of loss, they can find peace in Jesus and come to know Him. Both of our pastors have lost children in the past-and one of their comments is, "you don't get over it but you get through it with Jesus at your side". One died of a brain aneursym and the other was a drug addict but because the young man knew Jesus, even though he walked a path of his own choosing his parents, while heartbroken, could permit the Dr.'s to turn off machines. Anyway, I would say to ANY of you that are out there in "message forum land" ,  if you struggle  with anything and would like to make that pain go away-call on Karlan, me, Holly, and many others that can lead you in the Right Way. The Way is waiting for YOU!!!   

Holly, the Holy Spirit has seen you through MANY hardships and that's why you are the awesome lady you are now. I'm so glad that we are connecting!! God's got a plan for bringing you and I together after all these many years. We were not 'buds' then and we both had totally different ideas about the other's life.!! For me for sure because I thought you were on another ranking that I NEVER EVER thought I'd ever be and Praise Jesus I didn't go there because I wouldn't be the woman I am today. No ma'am, I'm not afraid of anything except that people I know will die and go to hell and no one deserves that loneliness, desolation, burning, etc.  In case someone doesn't know it, do you know that Jesus talks more about hell than He does Heaven!!! Gee, I wonder why??? Could it be He doesn't want His children to go there?? 

Okay, off my soapbox!! But maybe just maybe my words will strike someone STRAIGHT into the heart and they will come to really know their Creator-not just head knowledge but HEART knowledge and THAT'S what life is all about. Not the remember when we did this or that, or in fact, everything is about me, me, me. 

If ANYONE can find Don Davis for me-Math teacher, coach, 7th and 8th grade, please let me know. I want to thank him!!!


05/30/14 09:45 PM #601    

 

Hull Barbee

Dear Professor Grimes........ thanks so much for all the kind rememberances and thoughtful words about me. And on behalf of all the Hull Barbees in the World , I thank you. I'm sure Cordell and Thomas can verify all those lovely thoughts you said, and to the best of my memories , I think just about all of them were true.......LOL. But I do have great memories of you..... Particularly in the band hall with your professional voice and sense of humor and fast wit. Hell........now that I think of it all my friends really made something of themselves. PHD's and JD's and MD's and members of MENSA and brainiacs galore. I was hoping some of those mental giants and brainiacs would rub off on me. My life hasn't had near the successes many of my friends have had , but I'm proud of each and every one of them.  And I'm proud to call them my friends. And you're right there on the list with them. I have lost one of my closest friends....Mike Nahkunst.  He and I were close thru high school and college. And I will miss him. But life is for the living and I've always been ready to live. Hope to see you at the reunion. And if you ever need anything, here's my email......bhullb2002@yahoo.com. 


05/30/14 10:19 PM #602    

 

David Cordell

Hull,

I guess I need to get to know you better. Apparently, I've been missing something for the past 55 years! 


05/31/14 09:25 AM #603    

Karlan Fairchild

Holly,

I'll say very simply that in my vocation it's helpful for me to realize that a part of us dies every day, just as a part of us in born every day, so in the deepest reaches of our very beings we know, truly know, that this physical manifestation is only temporary.  As Paul wrote in his first letter to the church in Corinth, "if there is a physical body there is also a spiritual body."  Although I believe he got that backwards, perhaps due to the context in which the letter was written.  In my theology, we're spiritual beings first and foremost, and physical beings secondarily.  For that reason, I consider it to be a enormous privilege to have the opportunity to be allowed into circumstances that are private, intimate and sacred and, as such, I am honored to have the chance simply to be a companion and representative of the Body of Christ.  The transition from this physical existence to the spiritual realm must be one incredible experience.  And for those of us who call ourselves Christians, there shouldn't be any fear or apprehension involved.  Nicey always will be an integral part of our lives despite the fact that we can't reach out and touch her.  We were privileged to have had her in our lives.

 

And, Marsha, I agree that we've finally gotten around to discussing matters that are much more important in ourl lives, especially as we've grown older and much closer to the time-of-departure from this particular plane-of-existence to the other realm.  Being confident in the destination helps tremendously.

Blessings to all who read this message.

 

 


05/31/14 12:16 PM #604    

Tom Grimes

Hull,

(Why the hell is everyone calling me Dr. Grimes, Professor Grimes and such? I wasn't one of the friggin teachers...I was one of the students! Mama mia!)

I assume had I misrememberd something, you would have written, "No, you idiot. I didn't say that! I said ...." So I guess most of my recollections are mostly right.

I got to see Un homme et une femmeWho's Afraid of Virginia Wolfe? and Michelangelo Antonioni's Blowup because one or the other of my parents would buy the theater ticket for me, hand it over, and then I'd walk in. I was never stopped by a ticket-taker. And so I got to see a lot of great stuff. When you started playing the theme from Un homme et une femme with that before-class riff band, I thought that was super cool.

I had liberal parents. They sent me to a wine tasting course in 1966 when I was 15. It was run by Neiman-Marcus's Helen Corbett. And beause my mom worked there, Corbett let me in. But I only lasted one class because I got pie-eyed drunk and had to quit. I went to sleep in a chair; nothing raukus. I just had to be carried out by my dad. Very discreet. 


05/31/14 09:09 PM #605    

Tom Grimes

Do it, Holly. No one will know the difference.


06/01/14 12:29 PM #606    

 

David Cordell

Hull, 

If you show any of the glowing comments above to Delisa, be sure to take a video of her reaction. I want to see what she looks like when she rolls her eyes!

For the rest of our readers:

I saw "A Man and a Woman," although not with Hull. I think the last movie I saw with Hull was a rental--"Bridesmaids." Oh, how the cinematically cool have fallen!

Perhaps I have previously revealed an incident that occurred the night before my wedding in Bay City, Texas in 1973. I generously put up my groomsmen in the Starlight Motel, an establishment with unfulfilled aspirations to be as upscale as Richardson's Como Motel. We partied pretty hard that night, and the alcohol may have caused us to become somewhat unaware of the volume of our reveling, or of the microscopic thinness of the walls. Eventually, another motel patron, who seemed to be either a truck driver or a Hell's Angel, pounded on the door. Hull opened it, and saw a mountain with flaming eyes. The angry "gentleman" shouted, "If you guys don't shut up, I'm gonna chase you with lead!"

Now, I'm not sayin' that the color drained from Hull's face, but I think it was a pretty good match for Mr. Clean's T-shirt. 

Before anyone reams me out for hassling Hull, I feel certain that he is chuckling at these comments. Hull is a very kind and generous man--a great husband and father. He is, and always will be, one of my very best friends. 

Meanwhile, Hull, just in case Tom Grimes outlives you, you should ask him to deliver your eulogy! It ain't gonna get any better than that. I'll be in the back of the congregation making smart-ass comments under my breath!

David

 


06/01/14 02:30 PM #607    

Tom Grimes

Tommy, David,

You two obviously knew the young Barbee before he acquired the polish and sophistication of his later high school years. I met him for the first time in high school when he and I enrolled in classes for the Golden Eagle Band. So he had clearly had time to acquire the worldliness I saw exhibited in his taste for music and movies. In other words, he had shaken off the rough edges of -- what? -- babyhood by the time I caught up with him. Tommy, apparently, had an opportunity to see the underbelly of the situation. (I guess that's something you can't unsee.)

The Como. I do think about that place sometimes. Like when I'm passing through Lordsburg, New Mexico or Willcox, Arizona and see the Como's "inspiration motels." The Como is not a place the Hull Barbee I knew would patronize. He, like I, would drive right on through to Palm Springs and try to get Willcox out of his mind.


06/01/14 07:22 PM #608    

 

David Cordell

I am recording the 1938 movie Bringing up Baby with Cary Grant and Kathryn Hepburn in which Grant plays the part of a paleontologist who, at the beginning of the movie, is working on what appears to be a brontosaurus. Then I recalled that there had been a big dispute a long time ago, and that there never really was a brontosaurus. After a brief Google search, I saw the following link. The article is fun, but I especially enjoyed reading all the comments, some of which are clever. 

http://www.npr.org/2012/12/09/166665795/forget-extinct-the-brontosaurus-never-even-existed


06/02/14 01:52 AM #609    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

I remember one day in Mrs. Fagg's 6th grade class, when Mrs. Fagg asked Hull to read a Bible verse, since it had a correlation to some literature we were reading for our English assignment.  The verse referred to  'Mary, mother of Jesus, holding her babe close to her bosom....,' yet Hull misread the verse, and said, "Mary, mother of Jesus, holding her babe close to her blossom......,"  and, of course, right on cue, Tommy just about fell out of his chair, laughing hysterically at Hull, and, as usual, the rest of us, started snickering as well!  Poor Hull, bless his heart, blushed, and said, "Shut up Thomas," then Mrs. Fagg intervened, by telling us, "alright now," "that's enough!"  Now, just exactly why I remember that, I'm not sure!  I seem to remember the silliest, most inane moments of life experiences, but with the recent comments about Hull, that instance came to mind!  Our 6th grade immaturity was certainly on display, that day!  Those days were lots of fun, though!  Obviously, that was a day before Madalyn Murray O'Hair won her ridiculous law suit!  I actually MET that strange lady, one Sunday morning at, of ALL PLACES, The First United Methodist Church, in Austin, TX!  She had been invited to speak there, but honestly, after listening to her droning on and on, I came away not being able to make much sense of what she had said!  One thing I remember, was that she had been raised by Presbyterian parents, but had always been a rebellious, and antiestablishment person.  She surely seemed unhappy, and grouchy, to me!  I've wondered since, if I had been "a fly on the wall," at the moment her murderer pointed a revolver toward her head, would I have seen her utter a "deathbed" acknowledgment of God and Christ.....?  She supposedly had a high IQ. 

 

 


06/02/14 06:33 AM #610    

 

David Cordell

Hull, I changed my mind. Janalu should give your eulogy!

Here we are in Mrs. Fagg's 6th grade class at Heights. Janalu on the third row, next to the blackboard. I am behind her, and Hull is behind me. Tommy, of course, is mugging for the camera at the very front. Scroll down to see the other names. REMINDER: this and other class photos are available by clicking the "Old photos & clippings" link in the left-hand margin. If you have any class photos that aren't posted, please forward them to me. 


06/02/14 10:03 AM #611    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Janalu's post prompted my brain to go on over-drive this morning and I managed to revive a few long forgotten images and incidences in 6th grade.  I had Mr. Sims, who was probably too old to teach, either that or he just ignored our whispers and other transgressions, which were frequent.  I do remember he announced one day that there would be no prayer before lunch given by him, but if we wanted we could pray individually.  So he commenced this activity by saying we could each take turns and pray one by one starting on the first row.  So, one by one, we each took our turn.  Most were simple prayers, "God is great, God is good, let us thank Him for our food".  Some were eloquent, although I can't recall those prayers.   I was at a loss as to what to say, since the age of 5 my father, who was an atheist, strictly forbid by mother to take me to church.  He declared that I was too young to be influenced and I would be allowed to make my own choice at age 12.  To be fair, Dad never forbid me to read the bible at any time, to the contrary, he encouraged me to read it.  I was free to read anything I wanted at any age.  Nothing was off limits.  I was a little kid though, and at the time, my Weekly Reader and the Sunday Comics were high on the list of extracurricular material, not the Bible.  So at that time, I was at a loss, I did though desperately want to fit in.  I was on the very back row, so had time to think this over and whisper to Cathy Burrows next to me, on what in world I was going to do.   So when my turn came I said what most said, after all I was 12, it was time I made up my own mind.  Although, I have to say, it was not out of belief, more fear as to what would happen if I said nothing.    I remember Cathy Burrows Streetman told me an alternative to the "God is Great" refrain, she poked me and said, "Rub-ah-dub, Thanks for the grub, Yea, God!"  Of course, I declined to say that one, Mr. Sims would have busted a gut on that one for sure.  I have to hand it to Cathy, this put her on the spot too, although for different reasons, she stuttered, and she dreaded to be called on to say anything.  We had a pact, I said "Here" for her every morning to spare her the embarrassment of struggling on the "H".  But a whole prayer?  No way could I fake her voice for that long, she was going to have to brave that on her own, which she did.  Besides my one prayer was enough for me, my heart was beating so fast, I won't forget that.  I was scared out of my wits.  What was I going to say to my Dad?  I need not have worried, Dad had an open mind and plenty to say, but I never suffered any anger from him over this.  Nor did he pressure me either way.  It was my choice and I was old enough by then to decide for myself. 

As for Madalyn Murray O'Hare, who if you search her name on the internet, she is described as the most hated woman in America. She was not shot, she was strangled, then cut into pieces, along with her granddaughter and son and buried on a ranch in the Hill Country of Texas.  Janalu wondered if she recanted her non-belief at the last minute.  If you are curious, you can read this article on the Dallas Observer web site. I don't think she did.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/2003-07-10/news/true-confession/

According to this article, she was kidnapped, and held captive along with her Granddaughter for a month in a San Antonio hotel.  During that time she did talk to her captors and probably did not recant her beliefs, on the contrary, she goaded them, at least according to the confessor of her murder.  I researched this because I was a Grand Juror once, for 6 months in Collin County in 1990, which was before this case.  I was shocked that her murderers did not get life or the death penalty, so I wanted to know why.  To get death in Texas you must kill someone and commit a felony too.  Murder at that time alone, was not enough to warrant a death penalty.  Perhaps now things have changed I am not sure.  Kidnapping, theft and murder all occurred in the case of the O’Hare’s.  $500.000 in gold coins were stolen.  It was 5 years before the Austin police would investigate their disappearances and murders.  They all thought this woman had made off to New Zealand with the money and was living fine and dandy there.   


06/02/14 02:40 PM #612    

 

Lowell Tuttle

Sandra, I don't remember the prayer thing with Sims.  I do remember him reading to us each day after lunch.  I think he read us The Good Earth by Pearl Buck.  Also, he would not come into the class room after lunch each day.  He went over to Mrs. Craft's class and told them funny stories about East Texas.  I think he was from somewhere up there near Paris.  I think I fell behind a year in school in that class...


06/02/14 02:56 PM #613    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Lowell, yes I remember him reading to us everyday.  It had something to do with some Chinese people, so you are correct, it was The Good Earth.  I remember some of the faces Mr. Sims made, they were memorable!.  I was behind in math, and never caught up.  My math skills in Junior High were terrible, however, I am not sure I can place all the blame with Sims.


06/02/14 03:01 PM #614    

 

Marsha Brown (Johnson)

I must be TOTALLY brain dead!!! How in the world do you people remember all this stuff about teachers from centuries ago???? I'm amazed!!! I have NO clue who my teachers were in ANY grade other than Mr. Davis for 7th and 8th grade math and Mrs. McGowan for homemaking!  I remember a few of the people I knew in 6th grade-Patti Watson and Bob Ralph and Jan Schollenberger. Jan had boobs and none of the rest of us did!!! Of course Bob didn't have boobs either. hahaha I remember his blonde hair and bright colored shirts!  I remember a redhed girl but can't think of her name right off. She got to wear lipstick and when I tried sneaking out of the house in my mom's lipstick, I got caught, had to wipe it off, and was told I'd be punished when I got home. Oh I hated that day!!! I got a STERN talking to when I got home but at least I didn't have to go and pick out a switch. Anyway, I'm just amazed because you all remember this stuff or you are making it up hoping someone else will say, "oh yeah, I remember that!" I say that lovingly of course. Have a good afternoon. p.s. I'm sort of glad I don't remember that stuff-kids are cruel and I was the brunt of some of the cruelty and bullying. That's not fun either.


06/02/14 04:23 PM #615    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Marsha,

Cathy and Melissa (Kemp) and I used to recall our adventures in Sims class all during High School and beyond.  Cathy and I in particular used to play in class quite a bit.  We had a whole set of toys in our desks.  She kept her toys for decades and sent them to me a few years before she passed away (they were ceramic figurines of dogs to be specific, golden Cocker Spaniels).  Cathy and I reconnected in the 90's and corresponded via email and phone calls for years.    I still have these dogs in my curio cabinet, we called them, Puppy Tats.  I also kept my dogs and she kept hers.  I was surprised when she sent them to me, perhaps she knew that her time was near, I will never know.  She wanted me to keep them safe.  So I have kept them.  Crazy, isn't it?  That is why that year stands out so clear to me at times.  She kept the icons and items of the past and brought them up to me in conversations over the years.  She had a great memory, so does Melissa.  If she ever posts here, she might have some great tales to tell. 


06/02/14 06:03 PM #616    

 

Marsha Brown (Johnson)

Dearest Holly, I KNOW you would have jumped in to help fight off anything from anyone.  You are such a sweet, loving, kind person. I love you and I appreciate you. 


06/02/14 06:19 PM #617    

 

Lowell Tuttle

There was quite a bit of bullying going on at Heights.  I can think of four specific targets.  I was friendly a little with one of them, but felt guilty for not befriending the others.  Not bullying, but I remember one time I got into it with Wade Atterbury (sic) over a intra class baseball game...we decided to "meet" after school.  It ended up we walked home arm in arm friends....

On falling behind in Simm's class.  I think if it was not for SRA reading laboratories and a few other sports biographies, I might not have read anything while at Heights.  Lomax...Haliburton...then Simms...Haliburton was not bad though...

Remember SRA reading laboratory?  Started in Olive and went thru Purple.

I think Tommy Thomas "placed out" all the way to purple.

 

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06/02/14 08:33 PM #618    

 

David Cordell

I'm not sure how much bullying there was at Heights. I do remember teasing, though, and I am sorry to say that there is one person about whom I poked fun, although he/she probably didn't know it. No, it wasn't Hull, but I bet Tommy can guess.

 


06/02/14 08:53 PM #619    

 

Lowell Tuttle

Wait...I forgot...I read the Dallas Morning News and the Dallas Times Herald almost every day.  I still read the

paper front to back.  Dad sold papers on the corner in Seattle from age 7 to age 17...I delivered both the Hearald and te News, as well as subbing in for Steve Healy on the Richardson Daily News. 

 


06/02/14 09:45 PM #620    

 

David Cordell

Jim Bedwell reports that he believes that Ken Masters passed away. He found a record for Kenneth Loyd Masters, July 10, 1951 - August 8, 2011. Does anyone have any knowledge of this? I am always hesitant to add anyone to the Fallen Eagles list without confirmation since we made a mistake once.


06/03/14 12:37 AM #621    

 

Royce Herndon

In response to the postings about O'Hair and school prayer, there is no evidence that she had any end-of-life conversion to become a "believer". If we think about it, the only reason to do so would be to cover ourselves in case we've been wrong all along, as suggested in Pascal's Wager by the famous mathemetician. Go ahead and say you believe, just in case you wake up and find yourself before a celestial judge or jury after all. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It occurs to me, however, that an omniscient being would unavoidabley see the dishonesty in such a ruse and send you south anyway, perhaps with extra punishment for trying to fool him. As Christoper Hitchens said, better be honest and just say, "I tried to believe. I really wanted to; but the evidence just wasn't very solid." Maybe that way I'd at least get credit for effort and honesty.

As for the lawsuit being ridiculous, I think it's imperative to remember that so many of the early settlers came here primarily for religious freedom. At the time of the suit in question, 25 states permitted Bible reading in their schools, with 11 actually requiring it. And almost all these followed the readings with a required recitation of The Lord's Prayer. This clear violation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments denied those freedoms to everyone except Christians, as all the lower courts had already ruled. The responsibility of tax-funded schools is to provide education for the children of taxpayers, period. Available courses about Christianity, Judaism, Catholiciscm, Protestantism, Islam, etc. are perfectly fine. However, required classes, training, or indoctrination in any one of these goes against the core values of this nation.

 

On a related note, an interesting and historically significant case of late life conversion does come to mind– that of the Roman Emperor Constantine. A pagan until he was nearing his end, Constantine had earlier convened the Council of Nicea in 325 CE, which established early canon law in the Chrisitan church, as well as the nature of Jesus, his relationship to God, and the date for Easter (a pre-Chrisitan, moving feast holiday still set by the pagans' astronomical method). When the Council adjourned, the Emperor returned to Rome to take care of the business of having his wife and their son murdered, suspecting them of plotting his overthrow. If there is a place called hell waiting after death, we can only hope for his sake that Constantine's belated acknowledgment was sincere. Of course, if it was, then we have to wonder what a fly on the wall would see when Constantine got to heaven and was reunited with his waiting "loved ones".


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