Berger pleads guilty to taking classified info

Pitbulls and gold chains was sarcastic humor, but was based in truth.

The use of 'the end justifies the means,' was not humorous but was meant to bite; a statement not based in truth of the posts presented.

I apologze for inserting sarcasm in my post. It was not meant to be hurtful. It was just an observation noticed, in general, of my surroundings through the years.

I think the Black Americans who live today, should put the past behind them, and live in the moment. All of us have apologized about the evil slavery that happened here, in many ways, many times. There is no need, in my opinion, to carry a chip on one's shoulder. Doing so only further harms each person having that attitude and habit.

Blacks have the opportunities of every American citizen. I encourage each of them to partake of every opportunity available and to not allow Al Sharpton, or any other race baiter, to drag them back to past issues. Mr. Sharpton and his ilk, deeply hurts his own kinship, by urging them to wallow in everlasting hatefulness.

Oprah is an example of a lady who has benefitted greatly from opportunities she seized.

By the way, I think we have seen enough Spike Lee movies, as well as other movies, to realize that Black Americans have sarcastic humor about Anglo-Saxons too. Lee's digs usually make me smile, but sometimes make me 'roll my eyes.' Our American humor goes around and comes around, doesn't it? Asians and Hispanics join in as well. To me, it's all just part of our culture and is very human. It's a human thing.......

01/06/24 01:40 PM

#28788

I found a list on-line that I can't remember the title of, but it described me pretty well:

1) introvert

2) self-sufficient & independent

3) hate gossip

4) easily annoyed

5) hate being in the spotlight

6) cherish their peace & quiet

7) hate small talk

8) level-headed & very logical

9) work best on their own

10) socially awkward

11) a lot of hobbies & passions

12) highly sensitive

13) enjoy their own company

14) really don't like many people

Not an exact match, but pretty close! The hate-gossip - I was a history major and what is history? Talking about other people.

Also I don't have a lot of hobbies & passions but I am passionate about the ones I have.

OK, enough narcissism..........

01/06/24 04:41 PM

#28789

Jan Alexander

I love watching that ancestry show ..."Finding your roots". It often brings me to tears.. Just imagine learning that your great , great grandparent or such suffered so much because of the slavery trade and the horrible crimes and pain inflicted on them . Or finding out that your grandparents where placed in the Japanese Internment Camps or how your recent ancestors were part of the holocaust or how your family was sent to Indian reservations.

I would have trouble processing and letting it all go..into forgiveness ... Pain , sadness and hurt runs deep in your bones at the cellular level. Biology is passed along in your core. Cellular memory. Respect needs to be given to all those carrying that weight. I can only imagine what many have had to live with and how grateful they are but carrying the deep ache in their hearts. I can see where anger arises and hard to push down at times., which goes for all the traumas we experience..

PS , I did a ancestry test...half , mostly of Irish and Scottish decent. I bet half of our seniors carry all kinds of genes.. ....

01/07/24 08:32 AM

#28790

Jan,

I like Finding Your Roots also, and I agree that the stories are interesting. That said, I watch because of my interest in genealogy. I don't think that is Henry Louis Gates's goal, though. He is director of an African-American studies program at Harvard. The show is highly overweighted with Black people and especially with "people of color". His goal seems to be to to use the show as a classroom on the history of Black people in America. Not the current situation. The past. Of course, that is a big part of genealogy - to investigate the past. But what he does is to use genealogy as an extension of his academic/racial interests and to pound away at the evils of slavery in America.

I get it. Slavery bad.

It hasn't been bad for Henry Louis Gates, though. He makes more money than you or I ever made, he has a professorship at one of the premier universities in the world, and he hosts a television series.

Meanwhile, after the debacle of his arrest over a decade ago, he was invited to meet with the President of the United States in the White House.

Again, I enjoy the show, and I agree that the stories are compelling.

And slavery bad.

01/07/24 02:01 PM

#28791

David,

I agree.

Slavery is/was bad and evil and cruel.

Respect is always a good, worthy sentiment too.

But to keep the Black folks eternally "riled up," with anger and resentment about what happened to ancestors, is not right, in my opinion. 'Collective quilt' is a false premise. What our ancestors did many years ago, is not a reason to keep rehashing the issue, in order to keep digging the dagger deeper and deeper into the necks of a people who were not involved in slavery.

The Black folks who are descendants alive today, can have their sadness for the cruely that happened. Surel

But to try to foist their anger onto the Anglo-Saxon, former Europeans who are descendants alive today, trying to tell us that we are still guilty of a crime we did not commit in our era, is useless energy spent.

The energy should be spent on improving lives with what is available right now.

If the slaves were alive today to speak to their great great grandsons and grand daughters, I think that is what they would tell their kin. I think they would say, "Don't waste time crying about me/us. Go forth and prosper in the land that has allowed you to become a citizen. A tremendous, cruel price was paid for you young descendants to gain your citizenship, so get busy using your rights to make your lives better."

01/07/24 03:18 PM

#28792

I was just wondering if Joseph Robinette Biden would have had a more appropos name with Joseph Marionette Biden. Hm-m-m-m-m-m......

01/08/24 07:22 AM

#28793

Steve Keene has undergone a bit of a transition since the picture above was taken. Here he is at my home Saturday night. Note the shorter hair and VanDyke-style beard. David Seidler is on the left and Jerry May on the right. Sorry about the poor focus and closed eyes!

01/08/24 10:03 AM

#28794

Janalu,

Several things the activists fail to remember are

1) It was african tribes enslaving members of rival tribes and selling them into slavery,

2)Many Blacks in America owned . The first register slave owner in America was black.

3) Many native american tribes had slaves before and after Columbus discovered America

4 The 13 Amendment did not free the slaves held by Native American Tribes. The last tribe to agree to sign a trety freeing slaves was in 1878.

The history is very complicated.

Another thought

Since the 5th Amendment states Government has to pay for private property

(Constitution center.org)

:5 th Amendment:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

During the Civil war the Northern government was seizing "contraband slaves" they must have recognized The Confderate State and a legimate country. Lincoln with the Emsancipation Proclimation was violating the 5th amendment if he did not consider the CSA as a country.

Washington DC followed the Constiturion when they paid the slave owners for the slaves before the end of the civil war.. (in North :War of the Southern Rebellion) (South: War of Northern Aggression)

01/08/24 04:24 PM

#28795

Lady Lanajuju,

You must have missed my post. Joseph Robbin'-Net Biden - COOL INITIALS though.

These do have LONG legs:

And, yes, all the roads, paved or otherwise, in the Municipality of Anchorage are cleared within 72 hours after all signficant snowfall so you can see the recent clearing in this pic with the snow berms on the sides of the road - and that berm snow is like avalanche snow (HARD-PACKED & HEAVY), but likely not quite as bad as those death sweepings.

01/08/24 04:44 PM

#28796

David C,

Please tell Steve for me that I prefer the hobo look!!!! YEE HAW!!!

01/08/24 04:51 PM

#28797

Firstly we have Joe asleep at the wheel, then we have Kamala MIA (thank God), Obama the man behind the curtain, and now in this latest Biden/Dem scandal/irregularity/outrage du jour, we have Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin AWOL.

01/08/24 08:40 PM

#28798

I saw on the news Biden chastized Trump and Nikki Haley for saying the Civil War was about States Rights and those saying so are trying to rewrite history. The Civil War was aver slavery.

01/09/24 10:53 AM

#28799

Kamala Harris' father came from Jamaica, where there is a town called Brown's Town.

Her father is descended from a mother who was raped by an Irish man owner of a plantation in Brown's Town Jamaica. The Irish man was named Hamilton Brown. He owned many slaves on his plantation, and helped himself to any of the women he desired. Kamala shares some DNA with a white slave owner. Interesting.........

On another note, I've heard about Michelle Obama's interview with a TV host, where she expressed that she stays awake on many nights lately, worrying that Trump has a pretty good chance of winning the upcoming election, and she says it terrifies her! She and Rachel Maddow (who has recently told of similar nightmares) are equally biting their lower lips, scared to death that "Hitler's spawn" will win and plunge the country into depths of despair, over the progress that Biden managed to revive from what Trump took down from Barack's legacy. Not only that, but they are saddened to think that 'the evil and corrupt' Republicans have become SO insane in the way they all must think, that the ladies are frightened beyond belief, of Republicans. They have convinced themselves, as have many, many Democrats, that the horror of January 6th, was the overt plan of the whole of the Republican Party. They refuse to accept that the foolish deeds of that day were not planned and executed by ALL Republicans of the US, or that, at the very least, all Republicans were tickled pink about what happened that day.

I can't believe Michelle would actually run for the presidential office, since I remember her saying numerous times that she couldn't wait to get out of the White House fishbowl. She also said several times that she had NO desire to be a politician of any type, and that when her husband told her of his dream to run for the presidency, she tried in vain to talk him out of it. She didn't want to go that route at all, especially with their young girls in tow.

But now there have been many 'talking heads' predicting that she might be 'talked into it' by Barack and other Dems, who feel she could save the party this year, since Biden is obviously extremely frail and out-to-lunch, when dealing with all the problems overseas, not to mention his ineptitude here at home.

Isn't there some type of law that says, "A former president who has completed two terms in office," ( and has been very influential in major ways, to a needy person in the same office, by conniving to foist his former staff back into admin positions with that needy person..... who apparently has dementia) ......So now, at this juncture, that former two term president can come into office a fourth time, in a very real sense, as the spouse of a new occupant of the office, advising her in all ways, while she presents as a figurehead and pretty face for glad-handing the overseas dictators; those dictators who lap up her progressive continuation, like the foul dogs they are.

ENOUGH ALREADY of the Obamas! How much can any one country take of their progressive/Marxist policies? They need to move on and leave Washington DC.

Please!!!! Go on to your Hawaiian home to enjoy surfing and partying with your billionaire friends & associates. And please invite Pelosi to take up residency nextdoor!

01/09/24 02:09 PM

#28800

Janalu,

I wonder since Kamala is a decendent of a slave owner and a slave should she pay herself reperations.

01/09/24 02:19 PM

#28801

In my opinion, the whole subject of reparations should be dropped. There is no amount of money that will satisfy any descendants, and besides, it is distasteful and ridiculous. There is no monetary value for sacred life.

01/09/24 03:18 PM

#28802

Janalu,

I was just being funny. In our legal system you cannot sue one person to get damages for the actions of another.

01/09/24 04:22 PM

#28803

Lady Lanajuju,

Without the now institutionalized voter fraud, even Michelle Obama wouldn't have a chance against Trump, but she's at this point probably the only person who could possibly beat the Mean Tweeter. So that would give us Obama IV (and then V after further Satanic Dem maneuvers post-victory beginning in 2025) - that would without a doubt in my mind be the final nail in the coffin for this mislabeled democracy, in reality now an almost former constitutional republic.

01/09/24 04:43 PM

#28804

Lady Lanajuju,

This is the late GREAT economics prof & African-American Dr. Walter Williams's take on reparations - I SO miss him, and Krauthammer and Limbaugh and Breitbart and Buckley and Democrat William Proxmire and Mark Boland and................................anyway, this was from early 2001, and last time I looked all his excellent columns are available on his website.

I've posted this before but I believe this is also SO worth re-posting - talk about granularity in this mosaic of life that you will NEVER see in the corrupt legacy media (OH, AND I ADORE THE LAST QUESTION, WHICH IS THE LAST STATEMENT IN THE ARTICLE):

HERE IT IS:

Johnny Cochran and a group of successful trial lawyers plan to bring class-action suits against the federal government and some private companies they say profited from slavery. Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., has already introduced HR 40, titled "Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act." HR 40 has 48 co-sponsors and a number of them, such as Jim Traficant, D-Mich., and Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., are white.

Slavery was a gross violation of human rights. Justice would demand that slave owners make compensatory reparation payments to slaves. Since both slaves and slave owners are no longer with us, compensation is beyond our reach.

Absent from the reparations debate is who pays? Don't say the government because the government doesn't have any money that it doesn't first take from some American. So which Americans owe black people what? Reparations advocates don't want that question asked, but let's you and I ask it.

Are the millions of Europeans, Asian and Latin Americans who immigrated to the U.S. in the 20th century responsible for slavery, and should they be forced to cough up reparations money? What about descendants of Northern whites who fought and died in the name of freeing slaves? Should they cough up reparations money for black Americans? What about non-slave-owning Southern whites, who are a majority of Southern whites -- should they be made to pay reparations?

On black people's side of the ledger, thorny issues also arise. Some blacks purchased other blacks as a means to free family members. But other blacks owned slaves for the same reason whites owned slaves -- to work farms or plantations. Are descendants of these blacks eligible and deserving of reparations?

There is no way that Europeans could have captured millions of Africans. They had African and Arab help. Should Conyers haul representatives of Ghana, Ivory Coast, Nigeria and Muslim states before Congress and demand they pay reparations? By the way, is there anyone prepared to make the argument that blacks in America today would be better off if they were in Africa? If blacks wouldn't be better off, then why the reparations?

Reparations advocates make the foolish unchallenged pronouncement that United States became rich on the backs of free black labor. That's utter nonsense. Slavery doesn't have a very good record of producing wealth. Think about it. Slavery was all over the South and outlawed in most of the North. Buying into the reparations nonsense, the antebellum South was rich and the slave-starved North was poor. The truth is just the opposite. In fact, the poorest states and regions of our country were places where slavery flourished: Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia, while the richest states and regions were those where slavery was absent: Pennsylvania, New York and Massachusetts.

The reparations movement would be little more than an amusing side-show were it not for the damage it can do to blacks. It misallocates time and resources that could be more fruitfully spent elsewhere.

There's a growing black-owned and operated private school movement that addresses the fraudulent education of the public school system. Resources of the reparations movement could be used to add more private schools. High-powered reparations lawyers could use their legal skills to make court challenges of numerous state and local monopolistic regulations that stop people from getting into business, such as taxi licensing laws, cosmetology regulations, and restrictions on jitney and limousine operations.

I'd like to see lawyers bring class action suits against public school systems in cities like Philadelphia, Washington, Detroit and New York for producing fraudulent education -- certifying youngsters as high school graduates when those youngsters can't perform at seventh- and eighth-grade levels.

There's a reparations issue completely ignored: Blacks as well as whites live on land taken, sometimes brutally, from Indians. Do we blacks owe Indians anything?

01/10/24 06:59 AM

#28805

Janalu,

I think if Trump gets convicted of somehing big, he will lose. That's part of the three-prong strategy. 1) Take him off ballots. 2) Keep him occupied with legal defense. 3) Convict him. Add these to the phony dossier.

I wonder how many illegal aliens will vote this year. When Republicans object, they will be labeled racist.

Dirty tricks. Democrat democracy.

01/10/24 09:24 AM

#28806

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

David,

You think Trump is completely innocent, including the documents case too? He did not try to stop the certification of the election? You think he deserves immunity?

01/10/24 01:50 PM

#28807

I think that Trump and a number of Congressmen tried to get a window of opportunity declared (a few days of extension to examine some irregularities like the money issue of Zuckerberg's influence...His giving of a huge amount of money to certain voting offices in major swing states-----those type of issues-------plus NOW we have found ot that there really WERE voting issues in the way ballots were mishandled in Georgia, although we didn't know these facts on Jan. 6th)...but anyway....there WAS evidence of voting problems that were highly suspected on Jan. 6th.....so what those Congressmen and the president wanted was about ten days of examination. However, what actually happened was that the Democrats SCREAMED and told any Republican who had questions to SHUT UP and ACCEPT what they declared was the official count of votes. They told us "Don't you DARE question us, you demon Republicans!"

That is what I think most Republicans have determined is the truth of what was intended to happen on that day. Unfortunately, there were some rebel-rousers in that crowd that marched to the Capitol, and they were the ones who proceeded to cause fighting to break out. We have learned over the last few years, that there also were some FBI "plants" in the crowd too, who were 'egging some of those yawhoos to go inside the building.' Info continues to be discovered about THAT issue, and the filming of what ACTUALLY happened inside of the Capitol that day, continues to SLOWLY be released to the public. As we see more and more of the filming tapes, we learn a little more of what truly went on inside the building. We Republicans think that NO PERSON should have broken inside that day, so those that did break in are being duly charged. But the truth of what happened that day is still being determined in a slow, puzzling manner, as it appears that there are a lot of facts being withheld from our citizens for political manipulation. We DO KNOW that Trump never told anyone to go to the Capitol and attack the building. He only wanted them to go there and protest; nothing else.

That is what I believe was intended that day, but I would like to know what David C. thinks was intended, as well as other forum posters. Please tell us how you see it.

01/10/24 03:59 PM

#28808

Enjoy! This guy is on Gutfeld sometimes now.

01/10/24 05:14 PM

#28809

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Trumps legal team argued this: If the President were granted immunity, AND the President ordered Seal Team 6 to assasinate his political rival, he would have to be convicted by the House and the Senate in order to be prosecuted. So, IF you were a Senator, or a Congressman, would you vote against the President? Because if you did, you would instantly become a POLITICAL RIVAL. Duh.

01/11/24 12:24 PM

#28810

Sandra,

I think the New York financial case is HIGHLY political and bogus. Essentially, no harm, no foul. All the lenders testified that the made money from Trump and an expert sided with Trump on the valuations. A Democrat attorney general who was elected with a campaign promise that she would "get" Trump, and a Democrat judge who pre-judged the case. $375 million? Totally outlandish.

I think the Georgia case is lame, but I'm no lawyer.

I think the documents case is valid. He shouldn't have taken them to his residence. That said, I think that Trump, having been President and being President when the documents were transported, had more valid claim to the documents than Biden, who hadn't been President.

Now, how big of a deal was it?

See the NBC article below. Sandy Berger (or Sandy Burgler, as Rush used to call him) stole three copies of a classified document from a SCIF, stuffing them into his clothing, and later destroying them. His penalty? $10,000 fine and no jail time. There is no claim that Trump destroyed anything, and he was in negotiations with the National Archives. As former President he had Secret Service protection. Biden didn't. I would argue that Mar-a-Lago is more secure than Biden's garage.

Democrat hatred of Trump is beyond rational. It is pathological. He is jackass, but Democrats are persecuting and prosecuting him beyond reason. And he is tough beyond imagination. I saw clips of his town hall in Iowa last night. Cool as a cucumber. Then he flew back to NYC to deal with injustice.

The big lie from Democrats is that reelecting Trump, or even electing any Republican, would mean the end of democracy. To the contrary, Democrats are undermining democracy by trying to eliminate voters' ability to vote for the candidate of their choice. And he is not MY candidate of choice.

Berger pleads guilty to taking classified info

Sandy Berger, who was President Clinton’s top national security aide, pleaded guilty Friday to taking classified documents from the National Archives and cutting them up with scissors.

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Berger brushes aside questions from reporters after pleading guilty Friday. Kevin Wolf / AP

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March 31, 2005, 5:48 PM CST / Source: The Associated Press

Sandy Berger, who was President Clinton’s top national security aide, pleaded guilty Friday to taking classified documents from the National Archives and cutting them up with scissors.

Rather than the “honest mistake” he described last summer, Berger acknowledged to U.S. Magistrate Deborah Robinson that he intentionally took and deliberately destroyed three copies of the same document dealing with terror threats during the 2000 millennium celebration.

“Guilty, your honor,” Berger responded when asked how he pleaded.

The charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material is a misdemeanor that carries a maximum sentence of a year in prison and up to a $100,000 fine.

However, under a plea agreement that Robinson must accept, Berger would serve no jail time but instead pay a $10,000 fine, surrender his security clearance for three years and cooperate with investigators. Security clearance allows access to classified government materials.

Sentencing was set for July 8.

01/11/24 06:16 PM

#28811