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05/28/23 09:33 AM #27524    

 

Steve Keene

Hollis,

Is it true that David came to visit you at your crib a year or two ago?  

 

Tommy,

The really memorable field trip was going with the Driver's Ed. teacher to visit Owens Country Sausage Spring Creek Farm and watching the blood splatter as they used a metal rod to stun the hogs like in No Country for Old Men and then slit their throats with a sharp knife.  The butcher that did it wore a white rubber coated floor length apron.  The point to us was if we wanted to see that much blood again, make a mistake driving, forget to pay attention and break the speed limit.

What did you expect me to do?  We used all the paper the previous night with Paper Machine.


05/28/23 12:08 PM #27525    

 

Jerry May

My CDs mostly sit. I have a few old vinyl records, but most have fallen prey to the various moves over a lifetime of re-locating.

I still have my "Abbey Road" cd. That album is one which I feel every song is outstanding!

I distinctly remember our old "Admiral" Tv with its blonde wood and black "rabbit ears" on top. Also when the vertical black lines would start moving incessantly, there was a location in the front right corner which my Dad would slap, to make them disappear!

We would then continue watching "Friday Night Fights" as Pop drank his Falstaff, Pearl or Schlitz beer! (whatever was cheapest that week!)

Yesterday, Ellen and I went to her ex mother-in-laws 100th birthday (whom she is still somewhat close to) with lots of folks attending. 
This included Danny Mantle, who I spoke to for about ten minutes. So I have now met both of the surviving sons 

of the great #7!


05/28/23 01:06 PM #27526    

 

Martha Mize (Mareth)

50 years ago today I graduated from college. This picture must have been taken after the love-in the next day, haha.


05/28/23 03:05 PM #27527    

 

Wayne Gary

Watching Indy 500.  red flag with 2 laps left.  3rd red n 15 laps.  A J Foyt ( Super Tex) is hoping one of his cars will win.  Currently in 2 nd place.  What a wild ending to the race.


05/28/23 03:24 PM #27528    

 

Wayne Gary

Foyt team did not win. The winner stopped on the brick line then jumped over the barrier under the fence and into the crowd.

I remember when A J brought his cars to A&M to use the wind tunnel to test the wings and torsion bars to see how the new design of wings.  After doing the tests at 250mph decided to see at what speed the bar would bend so they ran the speed up to 600mph before the bar broke. Decided they could take metal off.

A J Foyt Racing is in Houston.


05/28/23 09:22 PM #27529    

Jim Bedwell

David, 

That was a FASCINATING post of yours with Tommy's 2 remarks, the 1st complaining about Steve's insults of him and then the 2nd longer statement (that shows his hypocrisy) where he blasts his CLOSE, GOOD friend Steve unmercifully. Don't do as I do; rather do as I say. Duh........


05/29/23 07:37 AM #27530    

 

Wayne Gary

Jim,

Now Tommy can now complain about you insulting/dispairgring  him.


05/29/23 08:27 AM #27531    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

On this day, I remember my father, who was a veteran.  He died on January 29, 2008 at age 92.  He wrote a few stories about his life in the years just before his death.  Most of those stories I had read at the time, but could not bring myself to look at them again until recently.    There is somethimg about them that invokes his voice, his manner that brings him back to life to me.  I can read them now in a better light and understand than I could right after he died.  The following are excepts from two of his articles, Biography and Judas Goat, written 10 months before he died.  When he mentions the hospital, it was from a few years before he passed away. He had several health issues.

Definitons and background:

My father was discharged honorably from the Naval Service on December, 1945 with the rating of Aviation Chief Radio Man.  And according to his biographical timeline:

"I am entitled to wear the gold wings of a pilot, torpedo bombers, from the belly seat, radar directed, but never wore them."

In addition he states:

"The only clue to service at sea appears as ‘VF16’.

VF16 is the fighter Squadron Sixteen, part of Air Group Sixteen which served in the Pacific Ocean area during WWII serving aboard several aircraft carriers.

Air groups were independent fighting organizations always temporarily assigned aboard a ship and required to do the actual fighting. Carriers are not battleships, and are regarded by the air groups as no more than fueling station and rest stops. This rivalry is suppressed in every respect to preserve the romantic appeals of ships to recruit crews."

THE JUDAS GOAT, Marinus Spieker

 It is Saturday, March 31, 2007 at 1:30 in the afternoon. Opera time, the Metropolitan Opera in New York broadcasts it’s matinee performance live, and if I know the opera I will tune in to WRR 101.1 MHz. Last week it was Rossini, the Barber of Seville. The “Largo al Factotum” was priceless.

What is on this afternoon is noisy crap. I turned it off. I looked at the index of my ‘book notes’, found: ‘The Bronze star ‘and re-read it. I got a guilty twinge, and resolved to write a tale I frequently told while in the hospital, and medicated to a fare-thee-well.

I start out by asking (usually, it is either a nurse or an orderly), “Do you know what is a Judas Goat”? Most never heard of the term, one did, talked about it briefly. He was old and in the hospital doing volunteer duty. Worked in a slaughter house as entry-level job as a ‘boy’. He looked at me, looking kind of  ‘not funny’ when I said that I was a Judas Goat. He left.

I sometimes approach the same subject from another direction. I ask a military question. Such as “Do you know how a battle group defends itself against a torpedo attack made by airplanes”?

 The answer usually is massive ack-ack from forty millimeter quads in sponson blisters welded on the sides of the hull. The sponsons are welded on after the ships pass through the Panama Canal.

I squatted on the flight deck at the port catapult after everything we had was up and we had nothing left that would fly. We could smell Japan, we were that close.

They were coming at us, very low, skimming the waves, smoke thick from the exploding ack-ack. Exhilaration, that is what I was feeling. I read later that Churchill said that absolutely nothing was more exhilarating than being shot at without effect.

Why did I feel that way? I was a Judas goat, a soothsayer, sera, sera!

I read from my flight log for the month of November, 1942. The day is the 23rd of November. I made fourteen ‘test’ flights in TBF-1 type bomber airplane made by Grumman at Bethpage, New York during that month.

TBF-1 serial 06038 is on the line. Ensign McGurk will pilot, Radioman Spieker is crew. I never met McGurk before this, never saw him again afterwards. This is standard behavior.

 There is virtually zero conversation between us. I do not even say ‘hello’. It is his first time to test and check out a TBF-1 radar assisted torpedo attack. His instructions, I guess, amount to “listen to the radar guy, do what he says, watch your ass.” I do not attend briefings unless ordered to be there.

The radar is primitive, almost nothing predates it. The antennae are 515 MHz Yagi one on each wingtip. The autopilot is ‘SBAE’ bombsight. I have a knob that controls the rudder and enables me to make skid-turns. If we make a ‘bank-turn’ the antenna will see the moon, not a target.

Skipping the techno-babble, I ‘see’ the target; we are zipping along at 180 knots at about forty feet altitude, bomb doors open. “Bombs away” and McGurk is back in control.

He hauls back on the ‘stick’ and we climb almost vertically as I turn around in my seat to charge the fifty caliber stinger, behind me.

Floating below, a tattered looking raft appears to receive the short burst from the fifty. I got no more than about a dozen rounds in the clip.

 Rat-tat-tat, they are gone, and we are all done, testing. We head back to base.

Back on the flight line, as we climb out of the plane, we stand facing each other.

“Stay low” I say. “Ack-ack is not your problem. Artillery is what is going to kill you”.

On one occasion, while at this point, I told that pilot we were ‘lucky’ that we do not carry torpedoes on test flights. Not even dummies. They might bounce and try to climb back into the bomb bay if you go too low!

Air Groups and Carriers desperately need each other, but there is low regard and no love lost between them. Carriers are regarded to be floating gas stations, mini-market motels. They are big fat targets. Carriers are not ‘battle ships’.

I love ships and once dreamed of serving, perhaps even commanding one of those big guns. I do not regret having served on carriers. Not even a moment.

Back on the flight deck, squatting behind the sponson with the forties going pm-pm-pm-pm. Astern, an old battlewagon escort lobs her sixteen inchers into the water.

BLAM BLAM BLAM.  Huge waterspouts appear; mountains of water rise in front of the attackers. The attackers have vanished.

I had never been asked before. “Did YOU ever……”

“No”, I answered, “I was an instructor, I never actually attacked. I was too valuable”

Torpedo Squadron Eight sank four carriers at Midway and won the war, but nobody, not even one of VT-8’s attackers came home.

I volunteered into a Fighter Squadron, and joined VF-16. The Marianas turkey shoot bunch.

 Like that Judas Goat, leading the lambs to slaughter, I ducked into that escape door when the opportunity was offered to me.

 Que sera, sera, I did not arrange it, I could not prevent it, I could only make it worse. Mea culpa.


05/29/23 09:25 AM #27532    

 

David Cordell

Thanks you for sharing some of your father's comments, Sandra. Very insightful.

Coincidentally, I was about to post something distantly related.

Martha and I always watch a war movie on Memorial Day, D-Day, VE Day, VJ Day, and Veterans Day. So, I checked out Turner Classic Movies as I am partial to the old black-and-whites.

If you receive TCM on your cable or streaming service, you can also get Watch TCM free by just signing up and providing the name of your service. When you go to TCM.com/watchtcm, you can stream lots of old movies without regard to TCM's normal scheduling.

I selected the genre "War" movies and scrolled through. The one we will watch today is They Were Expendable, from 1945, starring Robert Montgomery, John Wayne, Donna Reed, and a couple of other recognizable actors. Note that Robert Montgomery, who was one of my mother's favorite actors, is given top billing over John Wayne. I particularly liked Montgomery in Here Comes Mr. Jordan, which was remade with Warren Beatty as Heaven Can Wait. I found this on a website:

Robert Montgomery was already an Oscar winning actor before the war; having started in motion pictures in 1929. After World War II broke out in Europe, Montgomery enlisted in London for American field service and drove ambulances in France until the Dunkirk evacuation. Upon America' entrance into the war, Montgomery joined the U.S. Navy and served as Naval Attache on British destroyers hunting U-boats. He attended torpedo boat school, became a PT boat commander, and participated in the D-Day invasion on board a Destroyer. Montgomery served five years of active war duty, was awarded a Bronze Star, the American Defense Service Ribbon, the European Theater Ribbon with two Battle Stars, one Overseas Service Bar, and promoted to the rank of Lt. Commander.

Just to reiterate, the American-born Montgomery was serving in World War II before the U.S. was even in the war. I also saw this:

When Montgomery returned to the U.S. in 1944 he had a serious case of tropical fever, but recovered enough to accept his first acting role in three years.

SOLDIER FROM THE WARS RETURNING (1945 - 1947):
John Ford had offered him a leading role in what turned out to be Montgomery's only war film, They Were Expendable. When the company arrived on location in Miami Montgomery suffered a panic attack. Unsure of his ability to act after the three-year hiatus, he confided his fears to Ford who allowed him the time to prepare before filming his scenes.

Montgomery later described Ford as the "best (director) I ever worked with...he was a genius." And when Ford fell and fractured his leg before filming was complete it was Montgomery he called upon to finish the job. There were several scenes left to film including many battle sequences; "...Duke (John Wayne) and I were visiting him (Ford) in the hospital when the telephone rang." Montgomery recalled in a 1980 interview, "It was Eddie Mannix from the studio, wanting to know when he'd be back. He said: 'I'm not coming back...I'm staying here and getting my leg right. Then I'm going back to the navy.

"'Montgomery'll finish the picture.' That was the first I heard of it. It was quite a shock."

The year after They Were Expendable, Montgomery starred in and directed The Lady in the Lake - a Phillip Marlowe mystery. What's unusual about that movie is that is viewed entirely through Marlowe's eyes -- you see what he sees. Thus, the only time you can see Montgomery is when he walks past a mirror or reaches his hand for something. A bit gimmicky, but interesting.


05/29/23 09:29 AM #27533    

 

David Cordell

In case you might be interested in watching They Were Expendable, here is the synopsis from the TCM site.

FULL SYNOPSIS

In 1941, the 3rd Motor Torpedo Boat Squadron of the U.S. Navy is sent to Manila Bay to help defend the Philippine Islands against invasion by the Japanese army. The squadron, under the command of Lt. John Brickley (Robert Montgomery), arrives at its island post only to be ridiculed by some of the top military leaders, who do not believe that the small torpedo boats can be effective. Brick, who is fiercely proud of his squadron, is angered by the insults and vows to prove his detractors wrong. His first opportunity to put the squadron to good use finally comes when news arrives that the Japanese have bombed Pearl Harbor.

Though initially assigned to messenger duty, Brick's squadron is later pressed into combat duty when Japanese warplanes descend on the island in a surprise attack. The torpedo squadron shoots down three of the Japanese planes, but the Japanese succeed in destroying much of the base, which is later ordered closed by Admiral Blackwell. Brick's squadron is then sent to Sisiman Cove, on the island of Bataan, to run a messenger service. The new assignment infuriates one of Brick's men, Lt. "Rusty" Ry  Wayne), who is eager to be involved in serious combat and has repeatedly asked Brick to be reassigned to a destroyer. When Blackwell assigns the 3rd Squadron to send two boats to sink a Japanese cruiser that is shelling positions at Bataan, Brick chooses his boat and Rusty's for the job.

Just as they are about to ship out, though, Brick notices a cut on Rusty's arm and sends him to a military hospital for treatment. There, Rusty is diagnosed with blood poisoning and placed under the care of nurse Lt. Sandy Davyss. While Rusty awaits surgery at the hospital, Brick's boats destroy the Japanese cruiser. Rusty pursues a romance with Sandy after his operation, but their romance is cut short when Brick orders Rusty to return to the squadron. The torpedo squadron's attacks against the Japanese forces continue with great success, though Brick loses some of his men and boats in combat. One day, Brick and Rusty are assigned the important task of transporting Admiral Blackwell and General Douglas MacArthur to the island of Mindanao. Before embarking on the dangerous journey, Rusty telephones Sandy to bid her what may be a final farewell.

When only three of the four boats in Brick's squadron arrive at their destination, Brick sends out a search party for the missing boat. It is eventually found, but because it has suffered serious damage, it is taken out of service. Brick's force is now reduced to only two boats, his and Rusty's. Brick is assigned his most challenging mission yet when he is ordered to destroy a Japanese cruiser headed toward Corregidor. The two torpedo boats encounter a barrage of enemy fire at sea, but succeed in destroying their target.

Though both boats survive the mission, Rusty's boat is later destroyed in an aerial attack. When news arrives that 36,000 American soldiers have surrendered at Bataan, and that the Japanese are now battling at Corregidor, the last American strong point in the Philippines, Rusty and Brick are given orders to leave their squadron and go to Australia to train a new torpedo boat force. Despite promises by the Army that they will be returned to the Philippines with a stronger force to fight the Japanese, Brick and Rusty refuse the reassignment and try to stay on the island with the rest of their squadron. Their attempt to stay fails, however, and they are flown out on the last plane leaving the Philippines, not knowing if they will ever see their squadron again.


05/29/23 12:50 PM #27534    

 

David Cordell

Tommy,

You fancy yourself to have an excellent sense of humor, but you might want to consider that your humor sometimes misses the mark. When  multiple people don't understand your humor, you might consider that the problem may not lie with them. 

There is a fine line between teasing and insulting, but the line is actually different for everyone. Thus, it is actually a fuzzy line. Knowing the intent of the speaker is difficult without getting into the speaker's mind, and I am pretty sure no one wants to get into your mind. 


05/29/23 01:51 PM #27535    

Jim Bedwell

Wayne,

Amen about Tommy.

David,

Tommy's latest postings remind me of the saying, "There's no peace for the wicked" (often discombobulated with "There's no rest for the weary" into "There's no rest for the wicked").

Chief You Can Put It Where the Moon Don't Shine,

Three days I ago I saw the following BIG billboard just inside Florida after driving out of Georgia to a folk festival:

"Every knee will bow to the Lord Jesus Christ, even the Democrats" - BIG HAHAHAHA!!!!

Chief the Shining Shiner

All,

Here's a GREAT mini concert by the Campbell Brothers from 5 years ago. The lap steel guitarist on our left, so their right, Darick Campbell, died in 2020 and his brother Chuck Campbell, the pedal steel guitarist on our right, just recovered somewhat from a 3 week coma after having a stroke on Easter Sunday - he woke up in the hospital and couldn't walk. HOWEVER due to GOD and prayer, he is now walking slowly and played at the 3rd Sacred Steel Summit/Conference at the Stephen Foster State Park in White Springs, Florida over the weekend., where the video's guitarist Phil Campbell (in the middle) also appeared - Phil's health is OK. These guys were GREAT when Darick was alive - I saw them in Portland in 2010.

By the way, spouses Derek Trucks & Susan Tedeschi drove over from Jacksonville on Saturday night, and they jammed with several of the old-time Sacred Steel pedal steel guitarists. And I got autographs from Tedeschi and Trucks!! COOL!!!




05/29/23 02:03 PM #27536    

Jim Bedwell


05/29/23 02:10 PM #27537    

Jim Bedwell

HERE IS A TRULY SAD STORY just sent to me by a former co-worker from Texas:

Brad was sick of the world, of Covid 19, Trump, Russian belligerence, China, global warming, racial tensions, and the rest of the disturbing stories that occupy media headlines.

Brad drove his car into his garage and then sealed every doorway and window as best he could.  He got back into the car, wound up all of the windows, selected his favorite radio station, started the car.

Two days later, a worried neighbor peered through the garage window and saw him in the car.  She notified the emergency services, and they broke in and pulled Brad from the car.

A little sip of water and surprisingly he was in perfect condition, but his Tesla had a dead battery.

Brad is a registered Democrat and lives in California.


05/29/23 03:01 PM #27538    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

On this Memorial Day, I remember talking about my Dad's naval days very little.  He didn't enjoy those days at all, and his attitude was 'just do my duty, survive, and get back home to normal life and the future I wish to achieve.'

I remember him saying that as he was finally able to leave the Navy, after having to spend a couple of weeks in the infirmary to get his blood pressure down from a temporary high spike, he was speaking to the discharging agent about his rank.  The agent was telling him that it appeared he would receive a higher rank than Lieutenant, jg.  (The "jg" stood for junior grade)  My Dad asked how long that would take ( the bureaucratic red tape nonsense involved) and the agent answered, "Well, I'm not sure...." to which my Dad asked, "Well can't I just be discharged with the rank I have now?"  The agent responded that he guessed that would be okay, if that was what my Dad wanted.  My Dad said immediately, "Yes!  I'm ready to go right now!"

He was released as a Lieutenant, jg, and declared that he never wanted to get on another ship as long as he lived!

After many years, he broke with that declaration, when he and my Mom travelled in Europe, and boarded a ship for some of their time abroad.  He also travelled on some river cruises with my stepmother, a few years before his death.  Those trips, he told me, were MUCH different and were enjoyable, with great food, adult beverages and beautiful sights to see!

He served in the Navy for three and one half years, in the Pacific theater.  He had been awarded a Purple Heart for some shrapnel wounds he got during one battle, an award he didn't think he deserved, having seen fellow shipmates with horrible injuries throughout his service.  He told us kids that there was nothing glorious about any of it, as was depicted in some of the John Wayne movies, or the other war movies.  He hated war and all that it entailed.

I am extremely grateful to all of our servicemen and women.  You patriots are tremendously appreciated for what you have done in service and protection of our country.  Please know that we can never repay you enough for your sacrifice, but we will always hold you high in our hearts and minds.  May you all be eternally blessed!


05/29/23 03:38 PM #27539    

 

Wayne Gary

Tommy,

You should be thankful for all of the men and women that served to give ypu the freedom to say what you want.  What would it be like if our fathers had not fought in WW II and let Hitler and To Jo rule the world and take ove the US.  The strong must stand-up to the evil. Would you have been willing to stand up for your beliefs like David's father and serve this country in a necessary non military service? Would you defend the Jews in Europe or loy Germany kill them all?

All:

My dad served as a Navy CB on Hawaii and Guam.  Spent 30 months in the P.acific. Helped build air fields and bases that allowed us to take the fight to Japan. 

The movies were ment to raise moral and build support at home.  John Wayne was not allowed to enlist because tne military felt he would better help the war effort by making wat I and Aggies called "Ho Ra" movies.


05/29/23 03:49 PM #27540    

 

Wayne Gary

All and Tommy

Here is a link about "Code Talkers" in WW II that served in all theators.  More than just Navajo.

https://americanindian.si.edu/static/why-we-serve/topics/world-war-2/

Just one paragraph from the artical..

We are doing our best to win the war to be free from danger as much as the white man. We are fighting with Uncle Sam’s army to defend the right of our people to live our own life in our own way.

Lewis Naranjo (Santa Clara Pueblo)

05/29/23 03:51 PM #27541    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Tommy,

My Dad was not an anti-war kind of guy.  He knew full well that because of the nature of man, wars develop and can sometimes move toward your country, and when they do, he felt it was/is the duty of the young men of the country to stand and fight the enemy.  He hated war, but he enlisted in the Navy just before the foreseeable day he knew was coming his way; the day of being notified to serve.  He didn't have any patience for draft-dodgers or men who would slink off to other countries to hide.


05/29/23 05:58 PM #27542    

 

Wayne Gary

Janalu,

Can you imagine Tommy seeing someone atacking his daughter just standing by and saying something likr"don't hit her, lets talk about why you are hitting her.  I am a physoclogist and I can help you get over your anger."


05/29/23 06:26 PM #27543    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

No, Wayne,

I think Tommy would fly into a rage, knocking the guy to the ground, kicking him over and over. 

Just a hunch.......

He's a Cherocreek first of all........ not that all Cherocreeks are people who are easily unhinged.


05/29/23 06:36 PM #27544    

 

Wayne Gary

Janalu,

You might be right if it was a relative but if it was you he would let you get beat up.


05/29/23 09:37 PM #27545    

 

David Cordell

Tommy, 

Excellent mathematical description of a line. Irrelevant, of course, but excellent just the same.


05/29/23 09:50 PM #27546    

 

David Cordell

I think I have mentioned this before.

Does anyone who posts on this board think that so-called trans "women" should be allowed to compete in sports against real women?

I think it is a disgrace and a major setback for women's sports and women's rights. 


05/29/23 10:04 PM #27547    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

I agree, David.  So does Caitlyn Jenner.

This idiocy is woke nonsense and is pure BS unleashed on us all by Socialist/Marxist fools, who want to tear down our country and remake it to encompass their dream utopian vision.  They reject biology, which tells us of their utter insanity of reasonableness and fact.


05/29/23 10:18 PM #27548    

 

Wayne Gary

David, Janalu

I agree that trans should not be able to compete in womens sports.  They are not allowed in the Olympics. Even taking harmones are not allowed. I remember when East Germany either gave steroids or trans to win in the Olympics and got banned because of unfair advantage.

Tommy managed to insult me when talking about lines.  It proves he may have a high IQ but is dumb when dealing with others feelings.  A lot of book learning that did not register.


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