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03/08/23 01:25 PM #26995    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Lowell,

Nice comeback on the whole Covid issue thingy.  I am impressed. 

What I find astounding about the entire pandemic is how willing people were (and still are) to blatantly ignore common sense health and safety practices for their "personal freedom", when it was clear, at least to me, that ignoring the practice of vaccinating, masking and handwashing was endangering the lives of the most vulnerable in our society.  All of that was in the name of "I don't give a damn about anyone, but myself mentality." 

Here is a salute to the freedom to dress as you like anywhere, which, from what I hear, is about to be banned in at least one state.  So much for freedom and less government.  But, hey, these guys had great legs!

 

 


03/08/23 01:27 PM #26996    

 

David Cordell

Dallas Morning News editorial today ---

Student Debt Forgiveness Isn’t President’s Call

Biden’s plan is worrisome and unconstitutional.

It is reasonable to believe that forgiving student loans is the right thing for the government to do.

There are serious arguments about the skyrocketing cost of college and the reality that many students are forced to bargain between taking out loans or not getting a degree that will help raise them out of poverty.

It is also reasonable to believe that it is the wrong thing to do. People should pay back what they borrow. It is unfair to transfer the voluntary burden of some onto others. A government drowning in debt shouldn’t take on an additional $300 billion to$400 billion.

Whichever side you take, President Joe Biden’s plan to broadly forgive student loans is still problematic, and we hope and expect the Supreme Court will see it that way.

The founders of our country were very clear about the separation of powers. They did not want an executive to be able to use the nation’s purse to reward favored constituents or to punish political opponents.

But Biden essentially acted as both Congress and president when he unilaterally decided last year to take the debt burden of some Americans and place it on all Americans for years to come.

In oral arguments last week, the solicitor general stretched credulity by arguing that the Biden plan is nothing more than a tweak of past legislation that gave the secretary of education modest power, in the face of an emergency, to modify student loan terms.

If you call your bank and ask for a payment extension, you might get it. But if you call to ask that an entire loan be forgiven, you will learn the meaning of the word no.

Biden’s presumption that he can just transfer the wealth of this country from the many to the few is a dangerous precedent. What’s to stop the next president from deciding that a preferred group of voters should get a lump sum from the federal government?

There is no question that college costs have gotten out of hand for many people. And it is true that having a college degree remains one of the best ways to achieve upward mobility in our country.

It’s also true that borrowers aren’t without choices that can reduce costs. And taking out student loans is still a choice.

The moral grounds for forgiving loans are muddy. But the legal ones are not.

The Constitution gives the power plainly to Congress to pass legislationauthorizing such an expenditure. That choice does not belong to the presidentalone.

 


03/08/23 02:30 PM #26997    

Jan Alexander

CORRECTION  I am just friggin glad I awoke today and not on the wrong side of the bed............. or   I am glad I (the past participle ) awakened earlier this morning... for Pete's sake.............................................

NOTE  using the informal adjective , "friggin".


03/08/23 04:29 PM #26998    

 

David Cordell

Thanks, Tommy.

Jan,

My comment about the word "woke" wasn't aimed at you! But if you took offense, Tommy is sorry.

Tommy,

I am sorry of my comment to Jan offended you.


03/08/23 05:18 PM #26999    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

David,

I don't like the whole "woke" nonsense that hangs over everything we do or say like a menacing storm cloud.  It diminishes our freedom.  We all heard, growing up, that we should think before we speak or act, but this new attitude that "wokeness" casts on us, is overly smothering and not needed.

I hope the cloud will soon float away so we can have refreshing sunshine and cheerfulness again, and I hope that Martin Luther's famous quote will ring again each day in our ears, rather than the notion that noticing a person's hue had darn well better resonate with each and everyone of us, or else(!)....just as the Progrssives insist be the narrative to live by these days.  (Just my opinion.)


03/08/23 05:48 PM #27000    

Jan Alexander

You all are once again cracking me up... David.. I am soooooo sorry that you are sooooo sorry thatyou thought  I was offended..about the use of the word , woke...  I  was ( in the past ) , playing along with the topic of how to use  English in the correct manner.  Being with good humor.................Still am in a good humor... I awoke of the left side of the bed today , so I am still full of humor and glee.. ( actually , mis*read .. you weren't sorry )

There has been alot of talk about food and Culver's otos,  as well... I was just going thru ( for short ) my recipes and found the Hyde Park Bar and Grill battered- coated French fries recipe..  Yummmm

OH, I too , apologize for something... don't know what it is but I do humbly apologize.


03/08/23 06:33 PM #27001    

 

Steve Keene

David,

A young man just graduated from the University with a B.S in one of the Sciences and his parents came down to watch the ceremony and take him home afterward.  They lived about an hour from the school, so on the way home he listened to his i-tunes and wondered if he was going to get a present for graduating in the top one third of his class.  As they pulled up in front of his home sitting on the grass was a brand new corvette."  "Is that for me?" he exclaimed.  His parents nodded Yes and he ran over to the car, walked around it and looked at it from every angle scarcely believing his good fortune.  "Where are the keys" he asked.

"That is something your mother and I want to talk to you about, " his Dad said.  "The car is yours, but not the keys.  Frankly, your mother and I think you look like Hell with your long hair down your back halfway and that lumberjack beard.  If you want to earn the keys we want you to shave that beard, cut that hair above your ears and start interviewing for a job. We will also get you a credit card that you can use to buy a new suit on credit till your paychecks start coming."  "Dad, all my friends and classmates have their hair and beard this way." 

"Then prepare to take public transportation till you change your mind."

His parents went into the house and began making dinner.  He looked long and hard at the car and he began to think how he might get out of this mess.  Then it hit him.  His parents were devout Christians and he knew just the right buttons to push.  At dinner he started his pitch.  "Mom and Dad, you know Jesus wore His hair and beard just like me."  That will get them, he thought.

His Dad looked up from his plate and said, "He sure did son and if you'll remember he walked everywhere he went."

 


03/08/23 06:54 PM #27002    

Jan Alexander

Tommy, You are probably sorry you didn't sleep in ( I should say, instead)  this am.. and had not awoken so early. 


03/08/23 09:05 PM #27003    

 

David Cordell

Good one, Steve. We are taking a break from watching King of Kings (1961). Yeah, I know you think Bible movies are the devil's work.

Tommy, I assume you found your coat, too.


03/09/23 01:19 AM #27004    

Jim Bedwell

David C,

You said:

"The government, primarily because of Fauci, has undermined the public's faith in the government's ability to manage calamitous situations"

You didn't go far enough. The Dems (neo-Marxists) now in control not only can't manage or fix the messes but also they HAVE CAUSED ALL the situations and problems currently afflicting our rapidly declining nation (although some RINO's like Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, LIsa Murkowski, ad nauseum are willing, duped co-conspirators). The Dems & lefties are so STUPID they think they're much more intelligent (and moral) than we right-wingers. But you well know all this since you're a member of the choir I'm now preaching to; anyway that's our 1984/end-times/Bizarro world in which we now exist.

In conclusion, all I can say is "Come, Jesus!"


03/09/23 04:32 PM #27005    

 

David Cordell

Sent to me by a lurker

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American … There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag … We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Maybe TR's image should be removed from Mount Rushmore for such blasphemy in the latter half of that passage..


03/09/23 05:46 PM #27006    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Three cheers for Theodore Roosevelt!  He understood what needed to be happening in the USA.  Diversity is fine "to a point."


03/10/23 08:18 AM #27007    

 

Wayne Gary

Tommy,

You said "You created this site to serve our classmates. It doesn't serve us for posters to post content from anonymous people who obviously cannot be verified even to be a classmate much less even that they exist."

You keep posting on your site as "Sue".  When are you going to openly state you are Sue.? Or is it when you are high on weed you don't know who you are?

Note: You in the past you have said you use and sugessted I tried weed.  Using weed is illegal and helps to support drug cartels which also promote and sell fentanol which kills over 100,00 people in the US each year.


03/10/23 08:25 AM #27008    

 

Wayne Gary

I just heard on the radio that since 1930 average IQ went up 10 points every decade untin now.  There has been a decline in IQ.  Two thoughs are our education system is declining or we have changed our idea as ro what cognicant skills are necessary.  I think the "Smart phones" are a big part of the problem because people think "why lean" something when I can find information on their phone.  How many kids cannot add 2+2 +4 without using their phone?


03/10/23 08:45 AM #27009    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Tommy - David,

If someone wants to post something through someone else's account and both parties agree to this arrangement, I have no personal objection to that at all.  Free speech, I cheer.

I personally don't like to post for others because whatever is posted from someone else, is likely to reflect on me personally, whether it is postive or negative, or even neutral.  I want my opinons to be mine alone. 

I would post for someone else in the following circumstances.

1. Only if the person is handicapped.  This includes having no knowledge or capability to use a device like a mobile phone or a computer.  If they can use email, that would exclude them from being hanidcapped in today's technology.  Once handicapped status is confirmed: I would explain that this website forum is too complex, and therefore too intimidating for them and I felt like helping them out. 

2. Further, that person would have to have a message that is urgent or of service to the rest of the class.  Politics or jabs meant to intimidate, shame or blame, would be excluded.

3. Being shy, or worried about their privacy, seems a bit lame as an excuse, for me.  All of us are seven decades old.  If you have not gotten over your hangups by now.  Give up.  After all, after 50 plus years, I got over my shyness.  And since this forum is completely open to the internet and no password is required at all to view it, I think privacy is a moot point.   


03/10/23 10:24 AM #27010    

 

Bob Davidson

To my fellow conservatives:  I enjoyed seeing how an honest liberal sounds and thought you might, too:

Dear Conservatives, I Apologize
My "Team" was Taken in By Full-Spectrum Propaganda

Dr Naomi Wolf
17 hr ago

There is no way to avoid this moment. The formal letter of apology. From me. To Conservatives and to those who “put America first” everywhere.

It’s tempting to sweep this confrontation with my own gullibility under the rug — to “move on” without ever acknowledging that I was duped, and that as a result I made mistakes in judgement, and that these mistakes, multiplied by the tens of thousands and millions on the part of people just like me, hurt millions of other people like you all, in existential ways.

But that erasure of personal and public history would be wrong.

I owe you a full-throated apology.

I believed a farrago of lies. And, as a result of these lies, and my credulity — and the credulity of people similarly situated to me - many conservatives’ reputations are being tarnished, on false bases.

The proximate cause of this letter of apology is the airing, two nights ago, of excepts from tens of thousands of hours of security camera footage from the United States Capitol taken on Jan 6, 2021. The footage was released by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) to Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson [https://www.axios.com/2023/03/08/mccarthy-defends-jan-6-footage-tucker-carlson-fox-news].

While “fact-checkers” state that it is “misinformation” to claim that Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi was in charge of Capitol Police on that day [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/27/fact-check-nancy-pelosi-isnt-in-charge-capitol-police/8082088002/], the fact is that the USCP is under the oversight of Congress, according to — the United States Capitol Police: [https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight].

This would be the same Congress that convened the January 6 Committee subsequently, and that used millions of dollars in taxpayer money to turn that horrible day, and that tragic event, into a message point that would be used to tar a former President as a would-be terrorist, and to smear all Republicans, by association, as “insurrectionists,” or as insurrectionists’ sympathizers and fellow-travelers.

There is no way to unsee Officer Brian Sicknick, claimed by some Democrats in leadership and by most of the legacy media to have been killed by rioters at the Capitol that day, alive in at least one section of the newly released video. The USCP medical examiner states that this Officer died of “natural causes,” but also that he died “in the line of duty.” Whatever the truth of this confusing conclusion, and with all respect for and condolences to Officer Sicknick’s family, the circumstances of his death do matter to the public, as without his death having been caused by the events of Jan 6, the breach of the capitol, serious though it was, cannot be described as a “deadly insurrection.” [https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/medical-examiner-finds-uscp-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes] Sadly, though the contrary was what was reported, Officer Sicknick died two days after Jan 6, from suffering two strokes. https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-siege/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-of-natural-causes-after-suffering-two-strokes-day-after-jan-6-report/

There is no way for anyone thoughtful, even if he or she is a lifelong Democrat, not to notice that Sen Chuck Schumer did not say to the world that the footage that Mr Carlson aired was not real. Rather, he warned that it was “shameful” for Fox to allow us to see it. The Guardian characterized Mr Carlson’s and Fox News’ sin, weirdly, as “Over-Use” of Jan 6 footage. Isn’t the press supposed to want full transparency for all public interest events? [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/mar/07/biden-medicare-taxes-desantis-trump-2024-live-updates] How can you “over-use” real footage of events of national relevance?

Sen Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Senate minority leader, did not say the video on Fox News was fake or doctored. He said, rather, that it was “a mistake” to depart from the views of the events held by the chief of the Capitol Police. This is a statement from McConnell about orthodoxy — not a statement about a specific truth or untruth. [https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5060662/senator-mcconnell-calls-tucker-carlsons-depiction-january-6-attack-mistake]

I don’t agree with Mr Carlson’s interpretation of the videos as depicting “mostly peaceful chaos.”[https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3887103-tucker-carlson-shows-the-first-of-his-jan-6-footage-calls-it-mostly-peaceful-chaos/] I do think it is a mistake to downplay how serious it is when a legislative institution suffers a security breach of any kind, however that came to be.

But you don’t have to agree with Mr Carlson’s interpretation of the videos, to believe, as I do, that he engaged in valuable journalism simply by airing the footage that was leaked to him.

And remember, by law that footage belongs to us — it is a public record, and all public records literally belong to the American people. “In a democracy, records belong to the people,” explains the National Archives. [https://www.archives.gov/publications/general-info-leaflets/1-about-archives.html]

You don’t have to agree with Carlson’s interpretation of the videos, to notice the latest hypocrisy by the Left. My acquaintance and personal hero Daniel Ellsberg was rightly lionized by the Left for having illegally leaked the Pentagon Papers. The New York Times was rightly applauded for having run this leaked material in 1971. [https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1435/daniel-ellsberg].

I do not see how Mr Carlson’s airing of video material of national significance that the current government would prefer to keep hidden, or Fox News’ support for its disclosure to the public, is any different from that famous case of disclosure of inside information of public importance.

You don’t have to agree with Mr Carlson’s interpretation of the videos, to conclude that the Democrats in leadership, for their own part, have cherry-picked, hyped, spun, and in some ways appear to have lied about, aspects of January 6, turning a tragedy for the nation into a politicized talking point aimed at discrediting half of our electorate.

From the start, there have been things about the dominant, Democrats’ and legacy media’s, narrative of Jan 6, that seemed off, or contradictory, to me. (That does not mean I agree with the interpretation of these events in general on the right. Bear with me).

There is no way to un-hear the interview that Mr Carlson did with former Capitol police office Tarik Johnson, who said that he received no guidance when he called his superiors, terrified, as the Capitol was breached, to ask for direction. [https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-talks-exclusively-key-capitol-police-officer-ignored-by-jan-6-panel-amid-footage-release]

That situation is anomalous.

There is always a security chain of command in the Capitol, at the Rayburn Building, at the White House of course, and so on, which is part of a rock-solid “security plan.” [https://www.dhs.gov/news/2014/09/30/written-testimony-usss-director-house-committee-oversight-and-government-reform].

There are usually, indeed, multiple snipers standing on the steps of the Capitol, facing outward. I made note of this when I was researching and writing The End of America. There is never improvisation, or any confusion in security practices or in what is expected of “the security plan”, involving “principals” such as Members of Congress, or staff at the White House. I know this as a former political consultant and former White House spouse.

The reason for a tightly scripted chain of command and an absolutely ironclad security plan in these buildings, is so that security crises such as the events of Jan 6 can never happen.

The fact that so much confusion in security practice took place on Jan 6, is hard to understand.

There is no way to not see that among the violent and terrifying scenes of that day, as revealed by Mr Carlson, there were also scenes of officers with the United States Capitol Police accompanying one protester who would become iconic, the “Q-Anon Shaman”, Jacob Chansley - and escorting him peaceably through the hallways of our nation’s legislative center. [https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-lawyer-qanon-shaman-says-jan-6-footage-wasnt-shown-client-calls-prison-sentence-tragedy].

I was oddly unsurprised to see the “Q-Anon Shaman” being ushered through the hallways by Capitol Police; he was ready for the cameras in full makeup, horned fur hat, his tattooed chest bare (on a freezing day), and adorned in other highly cinematic regalia. I don’t know what Mr Chansley thought he was doing there that day, but so many subsequent legacy media images of the event put him so dramatically front and center — and the barbaric nature of his appearance was so illustrative of exactly the message that Democrats in leadership wished to send about the event — that I am not surprised to see that his path to the center of events was not blocked but was apparently facilitated by Capitol Police.

A point I have made over and over since 9/11 is that many events in history are both real and hyped. Many actors in historic events have their agendas, but are also at times used by other people with their own agendas, in ways of which the former are unaware. Terrorists and terrorism in the Bush era are one example. This issue was both real and hyped.

“Patriots” or “insurgents” (depending on who you are) entering the Capitol can be part of a real event that is also exploited or manipulated by others. We don’t know yet if this is the case in relation to the events of Jan 6, or to what extent it may be the case. That is where a real investigation must come in.

But as someone who has studied history, and the theatrics of history, for decades, I was not at all surprised to see, on Mr Carlson’s security camera footage, the person who was to became the most memorable ‘face’ of the ‘insurrection’ (or the riot, or the Capitol breach) — escorted to the beating heart of the action, where his image could be memorialized by a battery of cameras forever.

There are other aspects of the Jan 6 breach that seemed anomalous to me from the start. I study the relationship in history of buildings such as The White House and the Capitol, to the US public; I follow the way in which the public is either welcomed into or barred from these structures.

The White House itself and the Capitol steps have often been open to US citizens. They are public buildings.

Indeed, inaugurations have been open public events in which the US citizenry simply entered the building for the celebration; this tradition lasted from President Jefferson’s inauguration in 1801, to 1885.

Things got very chaotic indeed in 1829. “On March 4, 1829, Andrew Jackson upholds an inaugural tradition begun by Thomas Jefferson and hosts an open house at the White House.

After Jackson’s swearing-in ceremony and address to Congress, the new president returned to the White House to meet and greet a flock of politicians, celebrities and citizens. Very shortly, the crowd swelled to more than 20,000, turning the usually dignified White House into a boisterous mob scene. Some guests stood on furniture in muddy shoes while others rummaged through rooms looking for the president–breaking dishes, crystal and grinding food into the carpet along the way. […]

The White House open-house tradition continued until several assassination attempts heightened security concerns. The trend ended in 1885 when Grover Cleveland opted instead to host a parade, which he viewed in safety from a grandstand set up in front of the White House.” [https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jackson-holds-open-house-at-the-white-house].

And inaugurations were not the only occasions in which US citizens approached their public buildings in Washington.

The Bonus Army, which massed in the summer of 1932, during the Depression, to claim the financial “bonus” promised to veterans who had served in World War I, is an example of citizens assembling peaceably at the Capitol. When I was an undergraduate, we were taught that the Bonus Army sat on the steps of the Capitol and lobbied the legislators who were entering and leaving the building. I remember from my history textbook, images of crowds seated on the Capitol steps in 1932.

“[M]ore than 25,000 veterans and their families traveled to Washington, DC, to petition Congress and President Herbert Hoover to award them their bonus immediately. Fortunately for the marchers, Pelham Glassford, the local police chief and a veteran of the war himself, made accommodations for this influx, including the creation of an enormous camp in the Anacostia Flats […]. Glassford understood that Americans had an inherent right to assemble in Washington and petition the government for the “redress of grievances” without fear of punishment or reprisals. […]

On June 15, the House of Representatives passed the new bonus bill by a vote of 211 to 176. Two days later, some 8,000 veterans massed in front of the Capitol as the Senate prepared to vote, while another 10,000 assembled before the raised Anacostia drawbridge. The police were anticipating trouble because of the large crowds. The Senate debate continued until after dark. […]

When it appeared that the bonus would not be paid, many of the marchers refused to leave, and President Hoover ordered the Army to evict them. Using tear gas, tanks, and a troop of saber-wielding cavalry commanded by Major George S. Patton, U.S. Army chief of staff General Douglas MacArthur drove the marchers out of Washington and burned their main camp on the Anacostia Flats.”[https://billofrightsinstitute.org/essays/the-bonus-army]

I mention the massing of the Bonus Army on the Capitol steps in 1932, to note that the dominant narrative around Jan 6 today, often implies that it is an act of violence or of “insurrection” simply to march en masse peacefully to the Capitol.

But we should be wary of allowing history to be rewritten so as to criminalize peaceful, Constitutionally-protected assembly at “The People’s House.”

Massing peacefully at the Capitol and other public buildings, is part of our rights and inheritance as citizens, and this use of our First Amendment right to assemble has a long history. Indeed, the public has traditionally had the right peacefully to enter the Capitol — to obtain passes to events, to galley seats, and to witness the proceedings in other ways.

The Capitol is not a sealed space exclusively for legislators, but it is one that is supposed to welcome the public in an orderly way. [https://history.house.gov/Collection/Search?Term=Search&Classifications=Historical+Artifacts%3A+Passes&CurrentPage=1&SortOrder=Title&ResultType=Grid&PreviousSearch=Search%2CTitle]. We should not be encouraged to forget this.

The violence of Jan 6 and its subsequent service as a talking point by the Democrats’ leadership, risks its use also to justify the closing off of our public buildings from US citizens altogether.

This would be convenient for tyrants of any party.

Leaving aside the release of the additional Jan 6 footage and how it may or may not change our view of US history —- I must say that I am sorry for believing the dominant legacy-media “narrative” pretty completely from the time it was rolled out, without asking questions.

Those who violently entered the Capitol or who engaged in violence inside of it, must of course be held accountable. (As must violent protesters of every political stripe anywhere.)

But in addition, anyone in leadership who misrepresented to the public the events of the day so as to distort the complexity of its actual history — must also be held accountable.

Jan 6 has become, as the DNC intended it to become, after the fact, a “third rail”; a shorthand used to dismiss or criminalize an entire population and political point of view.

Peaceful Republicans and conservatives as a whole have been demonized by the story told by Democrats in leadership of what happened that day.

So half of the country has been tarred by association, and is now in many quarters presumed to consist of chaotic berserkers, anti-democratic rabble, and violent upstarts, whose sole goal is the murder of our democracy.

Republicans, conservatives, I am sorry.

I also believed wholesale so much else that has since turned out not to be as I was told it was by NPR, MSNBC and The New York Times.

I believed that stories about Hunter Biden’s laptop were Russian propaganda. Dozens of former intel officials said so. Johns Hopkins University said so. [https://sais.jhu.edu/news-press/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinformation-dozens-former-intel-officials-say].

“Trump specifically cited a “laptop” that contained emails allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden”, said ‘CNN Fact-Check’, with plenty of double quote marks. [https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_036fb62c-377f-4c68-8fa5-b98418e4bb9c]

I believed this all — til it was debunked.

I believed that President Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia — until that assertion was dropped. [https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/]

I believed that President Trump was a Russian asset, because the legacy media I read, said so [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book].

I believed in the entire Steele dossier, until I didn’t, because it all fell apart. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63305382].

Was there in fact an “infamous pee tape”? So many other bad things were being said about the man — why not? [https://www.businessinsider.com/christopher-steele-trump-pee-tape-probably-exists-2021-10]

I believed that Pres Trump instigated the riot at the Capitol — because I did not know that his admonition to his supporters to assemble “peacefully and patriotically” had been deleted from all of the news coverage that I read. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-11/trump-team-hoping-peacefully-and-patriotically-will-be-shield]

Because of lies such as these in legacy media — lies which I and millions of others believed — half of our nation’s electorate was smeared and delegitimized, and I myself was misled.

It damages our nation when legacy media put words in the mouths of Presidents and former Presidents, and call them traitors or criminals without evidence.

It damages our country when we cannot tell truth from lies. This is exactly what tyrants seek — an electorate that cannot know what is truth and what is falsehood.

Through lies, half of the electorate was denied a fair run for its preferred candidate.

I don’t like violence. I do believe our nation’s capitol must be treated as a sacred space.

I don’t like President Trump (Do I not? Who knows? I have been lied to about him so much for so long, I can‘t tell whether my instinctive aversion is simply the habituated residue of years of being on the receiving end of lies).

But I like the liars who are our current gatekeepers, even less.

The gatekeepers who lie to the public about the most consequential events of our time — and who thus damage our nation, distort our history, and deprive half of our citizenry of their right to speak, champion and choose, without being tarred as would-be violent traitors - deserve our disgust.

I am sorry the nation was damaged by so much untruth issued by those with whom I identified at the time.

I am sorry my former “tribe” is angry at a journalist for engaging in —- journalism.

I am sorry I believed so much nonsense.

Though it is no doubt too little, too late —

Conservatives, Republicans, MAGA:

I am so sorry.


03/10/23 12:14 PM #27011    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Bob,

Thank you for posting Dr. Naomi Wolf's article.

Finally, the truth!

I admire this woman's courage to speak up and admit to the smear of conservatives and the truth of what happened on January 6th; no insurrection, but rather an awful riot, mainly of illinformed malcontents and sufferers of mental issues, most likely.

By the way, the Capitol Building has been bombed before, so the January 6th damage was not the worst of what has happened in our history, but that's not to excuse the J6 ridiculousness.

I also enjoyed what Ms. Wolf said about our "legacy media's" very biased and naughty reporting of "facts".

In which publication did you find this lady's treatise?

Could this lady win a Pulitzer, possibly?  I think she is worthy, but that's just me.

 


03/10/23 01:45 PM #27012    

 

Bob Davidson

Janalu,  I'm glad you liked it.  She's on Substack. 


03/10/23 02:11 PM #27013    

 

Wayne Gary

Bob and Janalu

I agree the writing was good.  The liberals, Dems and main stream media never mention the riots during BLM marches.  They never say what happened to the people in Seattle that took over several bolcks that included a Federal Court house and other buildingd declairing themselves independent.  Would that be an inseration.? No House hearings or reported prosacutions.


03/10/23 03:24 PM #27014    

 

David Cordell

Tommy, I have reproduced your last post below, with my responses interspersed in red.

You created this site to serve our classmates. It doesn't serve us for posters to post content from anonymous people who obviously cannot be verified even to be a classmate much less even that they exist.

Once again you impugn my integrity by suggesting that I would make up a classmate.(I'm sure recall my suggestion that last time you did so, since you felt compelled to repeat it, casting yourself victim mode.) First, I wouldn't make someone up. I simply wouldn't. Second, you are implying that I would be afraid to express my own opinions without pretending that they are someone else's.

What planet do you live on? Have I given any hint that I am unwilling to share my own opinions, regardless of what you may think of them? If anything, I have expressed my thoughts to a fault, but that won't dissuade me.

If someone you know sends you something he wants posted to our classmates, tell them to do the right thing and what every other classmate does -- go through the process to join the site and then post your comments under your name.

I didn't say that a classmate asked me to post it for him/her. I also did not say that the person is not registered on the site. I simply said that it was sent to me by a lurker, which is the truth. It is also the truth that said lurker did NOT ask me to post it. That person and I frequently share material, only a tiny fraction of which finds its way to this site. I simply liked what I read and decided to post it, as I have done a number of times with material from many, many sources.

You should not be putting yourself in the position to be a servant to those too afraid to own their own thoughts to let others' reveal their thoughts under a cloak of anonymity. In this country we are taught that, if you have something to say, say it! Otherwise keep your mouth shut.

In other words, stop being an enabler. It diminishes your stature and only encourages others to use you as a shield.

Let's see. You consider me to be a servant and an enabler. I'll try my best to recover from that stinging rebuke. OK. I have recovered.

If someone asks me to post something without mentioning their name, and if I don't have a problem with the message itself, I will post it. If the message itself annoys you, and if the fact that I posted something from an anonymous classmate annoys you, I will consider it to be a side benefit.

That said, I think it would be best if I retained the posting-for-someone-else option for myself alone. Why? Because I would anticipate that you really would make up "anonymous" classmate comments and post them here just to cause me grief. As Wayne Gary mentioned, you created two alter-egos and "they" posted voluminously on this site. Ultimately, it caused me grief with my employer and required that I spend a considerable amount of time talking with police.

This current process of posting lurkers' comments is tantamount to letting illegal aliens apply and receive welfare money under a fictitious name.

That is an absolutely ludicrous analogy.

 

 


03/10/23 03:36 PM #27015    

 

Wayne Gary

David.

Good post. Tommy is so "do as I say" not as I do.  I make rules for others not me.


03/10/23 04:07 PM #27016    

 

Bob Davidson

Sorry about the cutting and pasting, Tommy.  It came out perfectly on my computer.


03/10/23 04:24 PM #27017    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Bob,

It caused me no trouble on my computer either.

This same issue has happened with some other posts on this forum, but I've been able to read most of the posts without much problem.

The length of Naomi's article didn't bother me either, as I found all of it to be very revealing and interesting.

I suppose some of it might have caused irritation with some readers however.....but that was part of the wonderousness of the piece, methinks.


03/10/23 05:23 PM #27018    

 

Steve Keene

Janalu,

I hate to burst your bubble on FDR, but he was a Marxist and wanted to be a dictator hence the four terms.  I want you to think of him as like Joe Biden.  He said one thing to get elected and then did the opposite in practice.  He began the racist divide in this country and was an anti semite.  He knew the Jews were being exterminated in Europe and did nothing to bring them to America and voted against the International desire to allow them to seek their own homeland.  He would have swept the holocaust under the rug had not Eisenhower filmed the camps that were liberated and made the German People bury the dead and care for the dying.  Roosevelt put his own encampments in to house Japanese American Citizens.  They were given one hour to pack what they could carry in a suitcase and his cronies stole their homes and businesses while they were interned.  He supported the voter suppression of blacks in the South and backed the Southern Democrats by supporting poll taxes and literacy exams as well as demanding that multiple voters vouch for a new black voter before they would be allowed to vote.  He funnelled money and equipment to Stalin instead of taking Hitler straight on in the west which is what Churchill wanted, ultimately causing half of Europe and East Berlin to come under the Soviet sphere. 


03/10/23 05:40 PM #27019    

 

Wayne Gary

Tommie's post 27321

He copied my post to Lance and deleted it from his site and deleted his name from my post.  A good case of him not following his own rules.


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