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07/01/20 08:35 AM #18372    

 

Lowell Tuttle

On Wisconsin was regarded by John Philip Sousa as the best marching/fight song of them all.

On, Wisconsin! On, Wisconsin! Plunge right through that line!
Run the ball right down the field, a touchdown sure this time.
On, Wisconsin! On, Wisconsin! Fight on for her fame,
Fight! Fellows! Fight! Fight, fight, we'll win this game.
On, Wisconsin! On, Wisconsin! Stand up, Badgers sing!
'Forward' is our driving spirit loyal voices ring.
On, Wisconsin! On, Wisconsin! Raise her glowing flame
Stand, fellows, let us now salute her name![7]

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07/01/20 11:09 AM #18373    

 

Bob Davidson

Janalu,

My view of John Roberts is that he is the kind of conservative who believes that the courts should preserve the status quo.  Roe made abortion a Constitutional right through some pretty tricky reasoning: the court found that abortion is part of the penumbra of the right to privacy that is implied in the Constitution.  However, it is the law, and once you accept that the right to have an abortion is absolutely guaranteed by the Constitution, like freedom of speech or the right to assemble, for a state to limit that right it has to have a compelling reason.  The famous example is making it illegal to falsely shout “fire” in a crowded theater: that is okay because the state has a compelling reason to protect people from very likely injury. The restrictions on abortion that Louisiana wanted were justified as a means to protect the woman exercising her right to have an abortion, not to limit that right; the Supreme Court majority didn’t buy that argument.  They thought it was a pretext to make it harder for abortionists to practice their trade.        

I first noticed that Roberts did backflips in the Obamacare case to avoid overturning an existing law.  He also made a famous speech about judges not being Obama judges or Bush judges, but judges period.  (Poor, deluded fellow.)

Incidentally, Roberts reminded me of David Cordell on steroids – but with no discernable sarcasm.  I taught at a very good prep school outside Chicago for a time in the 70s.  Roberts was an alum.  While I was there he was at Harvard Law School.  He had been his class president, captain of the football team, a wrestling champ (that was a prestige sport there), editor of the school paper, and voted outstanding senior – that I remember, there was probably more.  He spoke to the student body a couple of times about all the opportunities the school had given him, and them. I talked to him enough to feel like I knew him.  He was a very, very personable guy and the other teachers loved him. The headmaster said he was what he hoped all of the students could become. I also remember that he’d finished Harvard undergraduate in three years, with honors.  The second year he spoke, he had just been named editor of the Harvard Law Review (and actually got it on merit, unlike his famous predecessor).

Our other noted alum in those days was Chris Farley.  They never had him come and speak.  I taught his brother Kevin and liked him.

 


07/01/20 11:21 AM #18374    

 

Hollis Carolyn Heyn

Bob: I presume the unnamed Harvard Law review editor, who did not, as you note, earn by merit the position, would be Barack Obama. Could you explain?

07/01/20 12:31 PM #18375    

 

Wayne Gary

Lance,

After the "Spirit of St Louis" was put in the National Air & Space Museum , Lindberg would come and climb into the plane and spend hours reliving his flight.

I just saw the city of Columbus OH has removed the statue of Christopher Columbus from infront of the city hall. The decision was hailed by groups that say Columbus statues depict the explorer’s genocidal cleansing of the New World and exploitation of Native people, and opposed by Italian-Americans who say the statues are works of art that forge goodwill and should be preserved.


07/01/20 01:47 PM #18376    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Bob,

Thank you for your opinion.  Your assessment is very helpful.

Would you be interested it giving your personal opinion of the ROE v. WADE law?

I've heard many say that it was "bad law."   Do you agree that it should be left alone as many now claim?

The concept of "settled law;" is the ROE v. WADE now considered settled law, never to be changed in any way?


07/01/20 02:19 PM #18377    

 

Wayne Gary

Lance,

Is that the Confedrate Air Force? Over the years as a pilot I have had the pleasure of knowing many WW II pilots from a Fighter pilot over Europe, B24 pilot that flew from Guam, a C47 radioman from CBI and others.  When I went to Normandy I went to the museum ar St Mere Eglise where one item was a wooden bomb dropped on a fake aerodrome.

I have a "cricket" like what was issued to the airborne troops for D-day.  The one I have is made by the same company using the same tools and came in and identical paper box.  I would call it a new manufatcure instead of a copy or reproduction..


07/01/20 04:43 PM #18378    

 

Lowell Tuttle

Not on the subject, but Lt. Dan (Patrick) really exemplified himself on Fox today. 

Among other things "...Dr. Fauci doesn't know what he's talking about..."   and "(Dr. Fauci) he's been wrong every time on every issue."

Reminds me of my early years here in Houston when Patrick came onto his sportscast wearing a clown's costumer on KHOU TV.

Or better, this (I couldn't find the clown video...)




07/01/20 06:26 PM #18379    

 

Wayne Gary

Lance,

I am available to make the long drive to Addison (10 miles) this weekend.  Who is the Don you mentioned? I do plan on wearing a mask and social distancing. Check your messages. I sent you my phone number

One of my A&M  ROTC instructors (LTC Jones) flew B52s on the picket line. He told us that when he was asked by a civilian if given the order would he drop the bomb. He reply was you better hope I will.

I am not a member of the CAF just been in some of their planes. I once got a ride in a B26 from Love Field to Alliance Airport.

When I was at Normandy I went into the bunker that has a paque honoring Gen. Earl Rudder and his rangers, It was very emotional.  Gen, Rudder was president of A&M my freshman year


07/01/20 07:31 PM #18380    

 

David Cordell

Bob,

Sarcastic?? Moi?? Some may call it sarcasm. I call it truth-telling with attitude.

 

My, how times have changed!

I'm going through some family mementos, and I found this receipt among Martha's mother's items. It is the bill from the hospital when Martha was born. Five days in the hospital plus the operating room. Also includes shots and baby care.

 


07/01/20 09:08 PM #18381    

 

Steve Keene

David,

She must have gotten the "pretty baby" discount.  Your comment about Mount Rushmore got me to thinking.  I drove to Springfield MO yesterday and bought an ATV and dead headed back here this morning.  I am planning to go back to South Dakota and Wyoming again the second week of July.  I just had too much fun that I have to go back.  This time I am taking my own Honda Talon 1000X 4 passenger with me on a trailer.  They will issue you a temporary out of state license to run on the roads if you have the required equipment.

I have figured out how to motivate millenials.

 

 


07/02/20 12:15 AM #18382    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Steve,

Congratulations upon taking possession of your crazy new vehicle!  Be careful in that buggy!  

Hope you have hours and hours of exciting adventure!  Take pics if possible!


07/02/20 12:37 AM #18383    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Lance, 

Interesting verses, and that video is truly harrowing.  So much of it rings true as compared with what I've learned about the Deep State and the determination of the vicious people who lurk there continuously for years on end.  The huge scheme they have concocted is unbelievably evil and deceitful for so many of us that are tremendously hurt by all of the treachery.  And to hear that Obama authorized millions in funding to the Wuhan research lab is not surprising, but is in keeping with what we now know of his intricate attempt to smear Flynn and destroy Trump's administration from within.

You've heard, I assume, of how Flynn was going to expose all of the deceptive intelligence secrets he had gathered while working in the intelligence arena a while back, and how he was going to expose it all way back in 2017, just as the new administration was starting out.  It's no wonder that the FBI plotted, along with the other players, to take him down and frame him so quickly, knowing that he knew where all of the skeletons were buried, and why. 

It's so peculiar to hear Don Lemon on CNN snicker smuggly when he hears anyone speak of "the Deep State," as if he had any clue at all.  The employees there are gonna be gobsmacked when Durham finally releases his report.

The radical left, which has confiscated the Democrat Party, poses an existential threat to our society this November.  I guess you got the memo......

 

 

 


07/02/20 07:39 AM #18384    

 

Wayne Gary

Lance,

The "Cricket" pictured is acommerative reproduction.  I can bring a "The Acme No.470 Clicker" by J. Hudson & Co. LTD. This is the same model they made that was issued used in WW II.


07/02/20 11:36 AM #18385    

 

Bob Davidson

David,

I admire sarcasm; I meant that remark as a compliment.  You may have noticed that I have a small sarcastic edge, myself.


07/02/20 11:39 AM #18386    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Lance,

I don't need to be fed by you.

What's that suppose to mean?    Don't trouble yourself, please.

I pay no attention to propaganda, by the way.


07/02/20 12:15 PM #18387    

 

Wayne Gary

Lance,

I might go and exercise my 2nd amendment right. I do look for a companion. I am a NRA instructor for Black Powder, Rifles and Shotguns/


07/02/20 01:51 PM #18388    

 

Bob Davidson

Janalu,

I personally believe Roe v. Wade was a case where Justice Brennan wanted the result and came up with a reason to achieve that result.  

In law school, the professors tell the students over and over that the purpose of a legal education is to make the students “think like a lawyer.”  Part of that thinking is understanding the English Common Law method of applying past judicial case reasoning to present situations.  Laws in our tradition are fairly general, with the idea being that a statute does not cover every variation of situations that people can come up with. 

Appellate courts review the decisions on cases appealed from trial courts (basically an appeal is a claim that the trial court made a mistake in following the law and the case needs to be corrected) and they “publish” the decisions they consider significant enough to be the law for the trial courts.  These published decisions are binding on the trial courts in the jurisdiction.  In both the federal and state system we have two levels of appellate courts, courts of appeals and a supreme court.  A supreme court decides if a court of appeals has correctly interpreted the law in a case appealed to them.  In the federal system the courts of appeals cover a geographic area called a circuit: Texas is in the Fifth Circuit, along with Louisiana and Mississippi.  The trial courts in that circuit are bound by the decisions of their court of appeals.  It’s a little different in the state courts, but the same general idea.  Federal trial and bankruptcy courts also publish the cases they believe are significant; state trial courts don’t.  

Law students read old cases, analyze the reasoning, and compare that reasoning to the reasoning in other cases.  Most start out like I did, liking cases that had results we approve of and disliking cases where we didn’t like the outcome.  If the teaching works, we come to believe that the process is much more important than the outcome, i.e., the means is more important than the ends.  That’s went you start thinking like a lawyer.  Law school exams are generally based on the analysis of what’s called a fact pattern – a story.  The professors grade on “issue spotting” – finding and analyzing the legal issues raised in the story.  Amazingly, it pretty much mirrors what I’ve been doing for all these years as a lawyer.

When I try a case, the judge makes decisions about the law constantly: deciding what evidence to consider, what questions are proper, what law to apply to the case, and how to apply it.  I present a viewpoint, the other lawyer a contradictory one.  That’s the point top all that “objecting” you see in courtrooms – we have to point out to the judge when she does something we think is wrong, “preserving error.”  If a trial lawyer believes that a judge has misapplied the law in a way that changes the outcome of the case, we can ask the court of appeals to review these mistakes.  An appellate brief sets out point by point the specific errors the trial judge made, why they are errors and what the ruling should have been.  If the court of appeals agrees, they send the case back to the trial court with instructions as to what they found she did wrong.  If they think an important principle is involved they publish the case.

Federal judges are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.  High-minded Presidents like the Bushes try to appoint fair and impartial judges who share their general legal philosophy.  When Gerald Ford spoke at our law school, he did a question and answer where we asked him about how he appointed judges.  He said he looked at the ABA recommended candidates by reading some of their reported cases and appointing the ones whose reasoning impressed him.  More activist presidents like Clinton and Obama appoint liberal activists.  Republican Presidents tend not to be successful in appointing activists (Warren and Brennan were big-time liberal activists appointed by Ike.) Ginsburg was the general counsel of the ACLU.  Traditionally, the Senate has refused to confirm conservative activists, like Robert Bork.  

Obviously, as a practicing lawyer, you advocate for your client.  Activist judges tend to be ends driven and think how they get there isn’t that important.

My problem with Roe v. Wade isn’t only that it is clearly written to justify the conclusion, but that it took a political problem and made it legal decision.  It is generally agreed that the Supreme Court has the power to decide the constitutionality of laws, but laws are supposed to be created by the congress and approved by the President.  Short-circuiting this process is, to me, a form of autocracy, especially when the law is as contentious as abortion.

Sorry for the long-windedness.


07/02/20 03:07 PM #18389    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Bob,

Thanks much for that clear and concise explanation!  Very interesting!

I agree with your last paragraph completely.  Short-circuiting the creation of the Roe v. Wade law did yield indeed a decision that I think should definitely be reviewed, but I doubt that will ever happen in our current climate of division.

I appreciate your taking the time here.

 

Did you book any courses at your law school?


07/02/20 06:16 PM #18390    

 

Lowell Tuttle

Goldman Sachs has done the math and a national mask mandate to halt the spread of coronavirus would have a big impact on the U.S. economy

Published: July 2, 2020 at 9:07 a.m. ET

By 

Mark DeCambre

 

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Mask wearing could save the domestic economy from a 5% hit to GDP, Goldman says


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    Wearing a mask has become a uniquely hot-button issue in the U.S., which finds itself in the throes of a coronavirus crisis that appears to be drifting out of control by the day.

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    However a recent report from Goldman Sachs projects that a lack of a national policy mandating the use of facial coverings throughout the U.S. is delivering an unnecessary hit to the domestic economy.

    A team of economists lead by Jan Hatzius, chief economist at Goldman, makes the case that a national face-mask mandate could partially substitute for renewed lockdowns, as COVID-19 inflections flare up in a number of southern and western states in the U.S., that would “otherwise subtract 5% from gross domestic product.” (See attached chart):

     


07/02/20 08:20 PM #18391    

 

David Cordell

Bob said, "You may have noticed that I have a small sarcastic edge, myself."

David répond: "Êtes-vous sarcastique? C'est impossible!"

(I figured that French would ramp up the attitude a bit.)


07/02/20 10:23 PM #18392    

 

David Cordell

Sent to me by a non-poster. 


07/02/20 10:45 PM #18393    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

I suspect that T-shirt was made in China in the early Fall season of 2019.


07/03/20 07:35 AM #18394    

 

Lowell Tuttle

Lacne, admittedly, Goldman Sachs has at least more financial economic knowledge than I do.  I heard about them saying this on the way to golf in The Woodlands Thursday, and tought I would just try to recall the announcement.  So, I googled it and this article came up.  I tried to find a better clipping, but this is all I had.  I just thought it was pretty significan that they, a somewhat respected financial institution, had announced the possibility that mandated face masking would improve, rather than destroy, our markets.

I know that El Trumpo would not be advised to take this action.  Just was a thought.

By the way, my club has a large contingent of Asian (Korean mostly, I think) members who all play together and have had the habit of wearing face coverings while golfing for several years.  I guess it protects them from the bad Katy air and sun.  I always sort of chuckled to that, but in the back of my mind, I reflected on my two skin surgeries and constant congestion (which I blame on my lsinopril script.)

I have noticed quite an upswing in face covering here in Houston since the Texas (bar/riot/openingup-whatever) upswing in positive testing.

My wife walks every morning (I cycle) and there is not a day that goes by without a complaint by here of a close walker or close cycler, at the dollar stores too.  Thrift stores are off limits for her now, her passion, but she has gone out to The Dollar Store or some similar outlet at least 15 times to find a pink cowboy scarf. 

I ordered one on line two months ago.  I think it will be here on 7 20.


07/03/20 08:32 AM #18395    

 

Steve Keene

La Lowell,

I have ordered my "BOLSHEVIKS FOR BIDEN" T-shirt.  It should be here about 7/20 as well.


07/03/20 09:43 AM #18396    

Debbie Cathey (Havens)

Wish we had like or love buttons for "lazies" like I am at times...loved some of your responses to one another's offerings. Hopped on to say hi...you may or may not remember me from RHS, and looking back, there is MUCH that I prefer being thrown
into the abyss of forgetfulness. I am now a very conservative thinking gal who realized my senior year that hope for all situations in life...political or personal can be found in acknowledging Jesus Christ as Sovereign Savior and Lord. The horrific political tide we are presently seeing in America right now, coupled with the pandemic that is so being used to manipulate SOME citizens, could cause a wave of distress and panic in the hearts of many. I refuse to "go there". Instead, I will continue to do what I can and leave the rest in the hands of our Creator Who is known for taking the worst case scenarios and somehow working them into His ultimate plan. So, in the meantime, carry on... (and enjoy the 4th! ...maybe a little pro-4th of July "protest" on beaches with hot dog roasts would add to the promotion of the protest? )

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