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03/01/20 09:58 PM #17601    

 

David Cordell

Sandra,

Are you wearing a mask when you go to the grocery store because of common flu?

Let me give a concrete case of the negative of overreaction. People are buying up all the masks, making them potentially less available for the people who may really need them -- the health care workers. 

According to the article I quoted, an average of 167 people in the US die per day because of flu. So far, two people in the US have died of coronavirus. Both had underlying health conditions and one was in his 70s.The number of deaths will increase, of course, but hunkering down in our homes under the current condition seems to me to be overkill. I am worried about the effect of overreaction on economic activity, which caan affect jobs, which can affect well-being.

Honest question: How many deaths from coronavirus do you think there will be in the US during 2020?

(Note: I readily acknowledge that, in the words of John Donne, "Any man's death diminishes me because I am a part of Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee." Yeah, it doesn't fit the situation perfectly, but I had to memorize that poem in Mr. Vincent's eighth grade English class at St. Mark's, and feel compelled to refer to it now and again. And, yes, Donne could have said "persons" and "humankind," but he didn't!)

Kurt,

As usual, you offered a reasoned commentary. Good information, but, to paraphrase a line from Moonstruck, "What we don't know about coronavirus is a lot."

I don't believe the published information about death rates because the vast majority of deaths are in China. Both the numerator (number of deaths) and the denominator (number infected) are highly suspect in that controlled society. Further, I don't know the general state of health there, i.e. how resistant they are to various diseases. Plus, the experts here are still trying to figure out community infections. I also don't know how many deaths were of people who were in bad shape already. 

As I understand it, the vast majority of coronavirus cases are minor and flu-like.

Anecdote about the Spanish flu -- Martha's grandfather was a physician in the Army during WWII. He was called back home because Martha's mother (born in 1906) contracted the flu and was expected to die. She didn't. She lived to be 96.

I take the coronavirus situation seriously and believe that 1) the government should take appropriate actions, and 2) we individuals should take appropriate precautions. I just think there is some middle ground between denial and hair-on-fire hyperactivity.


03/02/20 06:14 AM #17602    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

David, 

No, I don't wear a surgical mask.  First because, despite the mixed messages we are getting to the effectiveness they provide (they protect health care workers but not the general public), I feel that based on the information so far, that hand washing and keeping your hands away from your face, will do for now.  I do have a small supply, though.  I bought them a couple of years ago to protect my mother from exposure to a flu case we had in our home.  Which leads me to my mother....she is 93.  I say without hesitation that if she did gets this crap, it would be most likely fatal.  So I am vigilant.  I limit my exposure to reduce her exposure.  Hence, I have enough groceries on hand so I don't shop every other day as my usual habit.   And yes, I do worry, and watch the news.  Danny's brother had a liver transplant last August.  If he gets a simple cold right now it has the potential to kill him.  Another possible casualty and statistic.  

What really concerns me are the numbers and our ability to deal with large numbers of folks, potentially in the hundreds of thousands, who need critical care, ICUs, ventilators, hospital settings.  It is just not as simple as gearing up, it is the math...how many heart attack victims, accident victims, or cancer cases will be turned away because we don't have the facilities or staff to handle both?  Can we build a hospital in ten days if needed?  How about just considering the number of folks who have no insurance and will therefore, forgo any care and just soldier on with work, because they must or go without food and rent.  This is a recipe for massive spread and further misery. 

My job is simple.  Be cautious, be vigilant, and protect my family.  Oh, and hope to hell the government, in its zeal to prevent panic tells us the truth.  Right now truth from Washington is not at a premium.  Last but not least, read, learn and gets facts, not hype.

Further reading --- Good read.


03/02/20 07:41 AM #17603    

Sharon Stuteville (Smith)

A few weeks ago we booked back to back cruises, Miami to Barcelona and then Barcelona to Rome leaving late April and returning mid-May. 
My biggest concern is not being able to return to the US or having to be quarantined coming from Italy. 
Since we have already booked flights as well, canceling will be expensive!
We are in wait and see mode at this time. 


03/02/20 07:57 AM #17604    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Sharon,

I sincerely hope you don't have to cancel and this whole Coronavirus epidemic burns itself out before then. 


03/02/20 09:28 AM #17605    

 

Lowell Tuttle

My wife, Susie, 32 years an RN, was explaining to me in response to my question, how come the mask works for health care workers, but not the regular population.

She mentioned several things.

The health care workers are taught how to wear the mask.  No air escaping from the sides.  Be prperly sized, no beards, as doesn't work with facial hair.

Also, health care workes wear sterile gloves.

The masks are discarded with each room exit. 

There is an order to how you put the gloves, masks, headgear, and robes on, and an order on how you take them off.

Just some thoughts.


03/02/20 10:53 AM #17606    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Lowell,

Good thoughts and logical ones too.  I hope everyone here and all of my friends stay healthy and weather through this without breaking their bank accounts.


03/02/20 03:35 PM #17607    

 

David Cordell

This is very hard for me to do.

I am providing a youtube link to a news conference led by Democrat New York Governor Cuomo this morning. I like the way he expressed his take on the coronavirus issue. New York just got a case - a health care worker who had visited Iran. Her illness is such that she is not being hospitalized.

Fast forward to 16:40.

NYC Mayor Bill DeBlasio comes on after Cuomo. His comments are fine, but probably not terribly interesting. The question-answer session included some public health professionals, and, again, Cuomo made sense to me.

To my surprise, there was minimal politicizing or finger-pointing. In fact, they expressed appreciation that the Feds gave New York more control. 




03/02/20 06:35 PM #17608    

 

Lowell Tuttle

On my cruise to Mexico and back last week, the ship was equipped with purell hand cleaning stations out the ass.  There was one at the top and bottom of each stairwell, going into and going out of any activitiy foom.  They were right in the middle of the floor/pathway.  There were about 4 stations at the spa.  And, at the entrance and exit from each eating restaurant, there was an attendant with a plastic bag begging all incoming and outgoing patrons with a squirt of purell.

I must have washed my hands about 200 times in four days.

Now, on our excursion in Yucatan to the salt desert Mayan temple area, where my wife chose to eat a street taco, the woman cook was shaping the tortillas with her hands.  There was no sign of running water.

Susie didn't get sick.  I chose not to eat on our 8 hour excurtion.  I had gotten sick many years ago in Acapulco, but I don't know if it was from the food or the water.

Ate street tacos in Nueva Laredo and had no problems in college.

 


03/02/20 08:14 PM #17609    

Sharon Stuteville (Smith)

Lance, you are right  we will be on one of the small Seabourn ships (400+ guests), and I have no doubt that all possible precautions will be taken.  My biggest concern is that we will not be able to fly to DFW from Italy or maybe have to be quarantined.  However, we could always change and fly to our other home in Mexico.  
I am practicing not touching my face with my hands!
We never purchase travel insurance.  This may be a time we regret that.

 


03/02/20 08:35 PM #17610    

 

Mike Marks

Really enjoy seeing the topic of the day is Cruise related. It's a great way to travel and see different ports without having to pack/unpack all of the time. We favor Royal Caribbean since they have a consistently good product and we have accrued helpful loyalty points. We also can access the Florida departure ports easily from North Carolina. 

Lance and Lowell, you guys are correct, these ships do an outstanding job with proactive cleanliness. Lowell, I am not sure I would want to eat some foods prepared under those conditions you witnessed either, and both of you all know my eating habits in High School. 

Sharon, I will be curious to hear about your Barcelona to Rome cruise. I am looking at Barcelona to Rome as well On RC sometime in 2021 or possibly Budapest to Nuremberg on Viking River cruises. I hope you all can travel back and forth safely without getting stranded.

Right now, we are booked to Alaska in September and the Caribbean in January so we can get in some warm water while it's freezing here. Yea!

 


03/02/20 09:34 PM #17611    

 

Wayne Gary

Sharon,

I would suggest you buy travel insurance.  On my first cruise my wife got sick and it covered all of the shipboard medical costs.

If yu plans get changed and you have expenses it will cover them.  It is not very expensive.

I have a 12 day cruise on Holland America from Barcelona around the Med and it will be around $250/person. I would not buy it until you have to make your final payment.

 


03/02/20 10:00 PM #17612    

 

David Cordell

Who are you people?? Everyone has been on 20 cruises! I've only been on one cruise -- in 1992. Three nights on Carnival from Port Canaveral to the Bahamas -- a last minute add-on to a business trip to Orlando. It was on the last sailing of a ship before they sent it to some outpost in South America where it would be used for target practice or something. We had a porthole with an excellent view of a giant rope about three feet away. The whole bathroom was about the size of the shower in my current home. I was the only patron to wear a tuxedo to dinner. Me and the servers. Good news -- they included me in the tip pool.


03/02/20 10:43 PM #17613    

 

Mike Marks

How about a RHS cruise out of Galveston aboard the Royal Caribbean Allure of the Seas. Sort of a Mini-Reunion on the Worlds largest Class Cruise ship with unlimited food, activities, and entertainment. Of course, I would need to get into bathing suit shape first. LOL.

David, there is really no comparison to the ship you were on years ago. Its a completely new experience now. Maybe Martha would allow you to be her roommate.


03/03/20 07:30 AM #17614    

 

David Cordell

Mike,

I read of your plan for a September sailing to Alaska.  We were looking at an August sailing. An annoying issue about not being retired is that I am limited as to when I can take vacations.

Separately, Martha's nephew, who is a television news reporter in San Francisco, tracked down an article that his father wrote when Audie Murphy returned home after WWII.

This was an Associated Press article that may have been edited by individual newspapers.

 

 THE GREENVILLE MORNING HERALD

June 14, 1945 pages 1, 2 column 2

Gala Farmersville Parade Bewilders Lt. Audie Murphy

BY WILLIAM C. BARNARD

 

 

FARMERSVILLE, June 14 (AP) Lt. Audie Murphy, freckle-faced boy with cool green eyes who won every decoration in the book, came home Thursday to one of the happiest families any fellow ever had.

 

Happy would describe Farmersville, too. And throw in a full-blown feeling of pride.

 

There never was so much horn honking and cheering and waving in Farmersville as when that long parade of automobiles swept down the square.

 

The little lieutenant was in the lead car, his face full of bewilderment.

 

For Audie is the type of guy who wonders what all the fuss is about.

 

The parade that met Audie at McKinney 16 miles away sped right on down to the little white house on the edge of Farmersville, where the lieutenant’s sister, Mrs. Corrine Burns, lives.

 

There on the lawn were Corrine and Audie’s two young sisters and a brother, from the Boles Orphans Home, Greenville.

Their eyes were bright with adoration and expectancy and tears.

 

There were tears in the brave lieutenant’s eyes, too. They all tried to embrace him at once.

 

Mrs. Burns patted Audie’s shoulders affectionately and said: “He hasn’t changed a bit—not a bit. I was afraid he would change but he hasn’t. All that has happened hasn’t done a thing to him. I can see he’s the same.”

 

Nadine Murphy, 13, a slim pretty girl in a flowered print dress, looked lovingly at her famed brother and said softly, “You did awfully well.” “And you’ve grown up,” Audie replied. “My, how you’ve grown up.” He had seen her last three years before he went off to war.

Billie Murphy, 11, the youngest sister, announced to a smiling crowd: “I’m 11 and this is my brother.”

 

As for little brother Joe, 10, he clung with silent rapture to Audie’s belt and looked up at the medals.

 

Murphy drove from San Antonio Thursday where he attended the thunderous homecoming accorded 13 generals and 45 other officers and servicemen.

 

During the long drive he seemed to draw a feeling of warm content from the countryside. He sank back in the car seat and relaxed and his vision lazily followed the passing scene—green rows of corn, gentle hills, fat cattle in the soft tree-shade of a meadow.

“This is what I came home to see,” Murphy said. “You can’t realize how swell this is until you’ve been away. Here I am riding along a highway—but I’m not watching every bit of the way for mines. Up there is a bridge, but I’m not sticking my head out of the window to make sure it hasn’t been blown—I’m sure it hasn’t. We passed through Temple and Waco and all the houses were not half wrecked by bombs. If we want to stop for soda, we can do it and we don’t have to speak a sign language to get it. The bones of cattle here don’t rattle when they walk away from you.

 

“All this makes me feel fine. Over there it was a helluva thing. I don’t like to talk about it, but I’m telling you it was a helluva thing. It wasn’t bad for me in Africa, but in Sicily and Italy and France it was bad.”

 

“Absent Minded.”

“It was so bad that I am getting absent minded from trying to push the unpleasant things out of my mind. You get so you push the things you ought to remember out of your mind, too. There were times when I was in battle from 70 and 80 days at a stretch, without relief. You get mad and tired and disgusted and you don’t care what happens to you. You just don’t care at all. You may think you have just a few minutes to live, but you don’t care.

 

“I swore while I was over there that I wouldn’t try to tell civilians how things were in the war. Words just don’t get it when you try to tell what war is. You can tell the funny things—like the time Sgt. Sammy Sanchez of San Antonio and I were on Anzio beachhead. It was raining and we were in our foxhole and it was half-full of water. We had an old blanket over us. It was late in the afternoon and the Germans were throwing screaming meemies at us. A screaming meemie is an eight-inch shell that sounds something like a donkey braying. ‘I wish I could get a good look at one of those screaming meemies,’ I said to Sammy.

 

“Two seconds later, here came a screaming meemie. It burst in half near us and one half dropped to the ground right by our foxhole and rolled into it. I spit on it and the spit steamed. ‘Don’t you ever say anything like that again,’ Sammy said.

 

“You can tell funny things like that, but that is just a piece of the war. Maybe you get a little idea about war when I tell you that just driving along like this and looking out a good old Texas scenery makes me feel really swell and safe. Well I wouldn’t take anything for this.”

 

Friday Farmersville pays tribute to Murphy—there will be speeches from the platform in the square and the band from Ashburn General Hospital will play.

Mayor R. B. Beaver says it will be the biggest celebration Farmersville ever had.

Thursday night Murphy dined with his immediate family and other relatives in the private dining room of a downtown café.

 

As for the celebration Friday, the little lieutenant grinned gamely and said: “I’m as shaky as Hirohito’s dreams.”

 

Document provided by Stan Smith, Editor (Ret.), The Audie Murphy National Fan Club

 

 

 


03/03/20 05:17 PM #17615    

 

Mike Marks

David,

The simple solution of when to travel is simple, just retire! I work part time now so I can travel. I know it's not that easy however. We are really looking forward to Alaska. The Caribbean is nice, but we want to enjoy scenery like Glaciers, Mountains, Wildlife, Botanical Gardens, etc. If you are able to go, book early, the Alaska cruise season is short, therefore not as many choices. 

This is our last ship, Royal Caribbean Harmony of the Seas with virtuly unlimited opportunities for almost anything including Broadway shows. The entertainment itself is simply amazing. In Alaska, they sail on Ovation of the Seas. Spend a little time doing some research, I think you all will get excited. This is nothing like the 3 day drunkfest trip on an old beat up ship like you sailed before. 


03/03/20 09:45 PM #17616    

 

Wayne Gary

Lance;

The $250 per person is the trip insurance.  It is not a per day charge.

David,

I prefer Holland America lines.  they are the oldest line going to Alaska.  I like them because yu are on a ship with only 2000-2300 passengers and it caters to the over 50 croud.  The other ships are the same length and  width with 3000-4000 passengers.

We went on a Sunday to Subday out of Seattle and really enjoyed our balcony room

 


03/03/20 11:42 PM #17617    

 

Karin Ridenour (Anderson)

We like Holland America the best too and took their cruise from Athens to the Black Sea and Turkey.  We took Royal Caribbean twice in the Caribbean and once in the Mediterranean (Barcelona to Venice by way of Florence and Rome), nice but too big; Celebrity to Alaska, very nice; and with my Mom I did a river cruise in Holland and Belgium.  I think I like river cruising the best since it is so much smaller.  The food was awesome on all of the cruises, as were the excursions.


03/04/20 06:40 AM #17618    

 

Lowell Tuttle

I will say this.  On my cruise, I never saw so many fat people in my life in a 3000 population.  After birthday cake season around here (I am the only one who eats it,) I am going to try to save myself for a thinner casket.


03/04/20 08:11 AM #17619    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

One of the best vacations I have ever had was to Alaska.  We went with Danny's father and his wife (Danny's Stepmother) about 15 years ago.  Amazing adventure.  We flew and landed in Anchorage and then took a prop plane to Homer.  There we spent a few days at the Land's End hotel.  We went deep sea fishing in the Cook Inlet where I caught a huge Hailbut, along with Danny and all.  Turns out I don't get sea sick.  It was very choppy that day...We had all of our catch cleaned and then flash frozen and shipped back to us at home in neat portion sized servings.  We went horseback riding there too.  Boy was I saddle sore!  The eagles in Homer are a sight to behold!  We also went salmon fishing and watched a mama bear and her cubs fish near us. We had our catch canned.  The float plane we took to the fishing site was a whole separate adventure!  When we returned to Anchorage we took the small train ride to Prince  William Sound and got on a large catamaran style cruise ship to tour the glaicers.  Mt. Denail was snow covered so we missed that view, but otherwise the exeriences we all had there have stayed with me vividly.  I highly recommend Alaska!

I just looked up the photos, it was 2002 when we went to Alaska.  Here is a shot with my halibut.


03/04/20 10:17 AM #17620    

 

Lowell Tuttle

I remember we were Haliburton's Halibuts at Heights.  I think I was the class baseball team loudest player.

Halibut is the best tasting fish, along with Sea bass and grouper.


03/04/20 02:35 PM #17621    

 

Karin Ridenour (Anderson)

Sandra, our Alaskan cruise was at the opposite end of Alaska. We visited Juneau where we did whale watching, Sitka where we rafted and watched eagles, and Ketchikan where we took a sea plane further north to a salmon hatchery to learn about their life cycle and watch the bears snagging the returning fish from the river rapids. We went as far north as the Humbolt ice fields and watched the glacier calving off huge chunks of ice. This was on Celebrity's Millenium ship which was very luxurious. We also got to see dolphin and orcas while cruising the Inside Passage. Great trip!!


03/04/20 04:09 PM #17622    

 

Wayne Gary

Karen and Sandra,

Were you eagles wearing purple and gold.

My Wife and I had a great Holland American trip on one of those "'dam"ships from Seattle to Juneau and back.  We have October 25 to Nov5 cruise from Barcelona to Italy, sicily, Malts, Greece and  Turkey


03/04/20 06:53 PM #17623    

 

Mike Marks

Sandra,

That must have been some kind of workout bringing those fish onboard.

03/04/20 07:22 PM #17624    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Mike, 

It was a terrific workout!  The first fish I caught, don't remember what it was, was about a foot long.  It took me while to reel it in.  When the guide looked at it he declared it was bait and had me Keep it on the hook and use it to catch the halibut.  My eyes got as big as Dallas, as my mother in law would say.  The halibut took all my strength, I got no help.  My inner thighs were so bruised from holding the rod I had a hard time walking the next day. Like I said, an experience I will never forget.


03/05/20 01:38 PM #17625    

 

David Cordell

Thanks, Lance. I loved it!

If anyone else watches, note that there are a couple of long commercials in the middle of the video. Don't give up, just fast forward.

Had Mohs surgery this morning to get rid of some pesky basal cell carcinoma. Who made me stay in the sun so much??


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