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06/22/23 06:43 AM #27681    

 

David Cordell

Bob, 

When I was a young professor at LSU in the early '80s, faculty were asked to volunteer to teach a course at Southern University, a historically black university that was also in Baton Rouge. We certainly had black students at LSU, but not too many in the business school. A colleague in business law "volunteered" for the program. He was horrified at classroom behavior -- talking, coming in late, leaving early, etc. Very few students were taking notes. He said he would never do it again. I don't know if the issues were endemic or just the actions of a few bad actors. I never had a problem with black students, except for one who was obviously cheating. I broke the rules by addressing it with him directly rather than taking through administrative channels. Didn't want the grief, and neither did the student.

In all my years as a professor, my best graduate assistant was black. He was from Gabon -- a French speaking country on the west coast of Africa about which I knew nothing-- and had attended a boarding school in France. He was very bright, extremely hard working, and very well-read in the classics and current literature. 


06/22/23 07:13 AM #27682    

 

David Cordell

From the Dallas Express - online "newspaper"

AG Deems Race-Based School Discipline Unlawful

By Jonathan Richie - Senior Staff Writer

Jun 22, 2023

Provisional Attorney General John Scott has issued an opinion concluding that any federal attempt to force Texas schools to institute race-conscious disciplinary policies in the interest of “statistical parity” would violate the law.

Scott was appointed by Gov. Greg Abbott to fill in after Ken Paxton was suspended following impeachment by the House, as reported by The Dallas Express.

 

The opinion was released in response to a 2021 request by Rep. James White, an East Texas Republican who later resigned from his seat. The request was renewed by Rep. Stephanie Klick (R-Fort Worth) in December 2022.

 

In White’s original request, he asked the attorney general to consider three main questions. First, he asked whether a Texas school operating under Texas law “may, because of the race, ethnicity, sex or gender of any student, choose what disciplinary action to impose on any student or alter any student-disciplinary decision or action.”

 

Second, the former representative questioned whether that answer would change “if any Educator chose what disciplinary action to impose on any student or altered any student disciplinary decision or action in order to produce or maintain statistical parity in the allocation of disciplinary actions between groups of students in various racial, ethnic, sex, gender, or disability classifications.”

 

Lastly, he requested an opinion on what would happen “should the U.S. Department of Education offer ‘guidance’ that it so interprets … Federal law and regulations” in such a way that federal education funding was tied to a definition of discrimination that included the “‘disparate impact’ of facially neutral, even-handedly applied school disciplinary policies on groups of students in different racial, ethnic, sex, gender, or disability classifications?”

In other words, if the federal government attempted to force Texas schools to institute disciplinary policies that sought to ensure specific racial quotas were met when handing down punishments, would that violate Texas equality laws?

 

White sought to answer the questions himself, writing, “I postulate that … the Texas Equal Rights Amendment and the Texas Education Code … implicitly forbid Educators from, because of the race, ethnicity, sex, gender, or disability status of any student, choosing what disciplinary action to impose on any student.”

 

“This prohibition applies, even where an Educator would take such action to produce or maintain statistical parity in the allocation of disciplinary actions between groups of students … And nothing the Federal Department of Education chooses to try to do can legally change these obligations,” he concluded.

 

In his response to Rep. Klick renewing former Rep. White’s request, Provisional AG John Scott concurred with many of White’s legal interpretations.

 

“Because race is a protected class under the Texas Equal Rights Amendment, any race-based student disciplinary decision cannot stand under that law unless it is narrowly tailored to serve a compelling interest of the school district,” Scott wrote.

 

However, according to his analysis, “A court would likely conclude that … avoiding a disparate impact cannot serve as a compelling government interest that justified making a race-based student disciplinary decision.”

 

Scott summarized that ultimately the “Texas Equal Rights Amendment of the Texas Constitution provides that ‘[e]quality under the law shall not be denied or abridged because of sex, race, color, creed or national origin.'”

 

Therefore, he continued, “In applying this provision, the Texas Supreme Court will not uphold a state action based on sex, race, color, creed, or national origin unless it is narrowly tailored to serve a compelling government interest.”

 

As Scott previously opined, achieving statistical parity regardless of specific action is not a compelling government interest, “Thus, any race-based student disciplinary decision by an educator or school district, whether motivated by guidance from the Office for Civil Rights of the U.S. Department of Education or otherwise, violates state law.”

 

Supporters of race-influenced approaches to education claim that school administrators do not apply the standards fairly, resulting in higher rates of punishment for minority students.

 

A 2021 study published in American Psychologist suggested that “Implicit, unconscious racial biases may influence educators’ interpretations of African American youth’s nonviolent and minor behavior as problematic.”

 

“Recently, scholars have proposed a number of strength-based and culturally responsive approaches to lower rates of discretionary discipline referrals … [A] system in which educators are held accountable for frequent referral rates may help constrain biases that lead to inequitable disciplinary responses,” the study concluded.

 

Study co-author Ming-te Wang told the American Psychological Association, “… we were not surprised by the findings, considering what we know about the role of racial bias in painting school adults’ views of African American youth as less innocent, older and more aggressive than their white peers.

 

“Regardless of the behavior that African American youth engage in, that behavior is viewed by educators as more worthy of harsh school discipline like suspension,” she claimed.

 

The opinion by AG Scott is not a legally binding order but rather his suggestion on how the law would be interpreted and applied in the proposed situations.

 

The nature of the opinion anticipates a move by the federal government to mandate a particular interpretation of disciplinary policy that might tie federal taxpayer funding for schools to the presence of race-based disciplinary quotas.

President Joe Biden’s administration has shown that it is not shy about attempting to strongarm states into adopting certain policy items by issuing new interpretations of various laws and policies.

 

AG Scott recently sued the Biden administration over a new interpretation of Title IX that would strip funding from public schools that do not permit biological males to participate in women’s sports, as reported by The Dallas Express. The filing represented the 50th time Texas sued the current federal government.

 

Recently, Texas won a similar case against the federal administration after it sought to force Texas’ National Guard to receive the COVID-19 vaccine and punish those who refused. The Fifth Circuit Court sustained Texas’ objections, ruling that the president did not have such authority, as The Dallas Express reported.

 


06/22/23 10:59 AM #27683    

 

Bob Davidson

David,

I wonder what would have happened if the whites hadn't left Jackson public schools.  Obviously, it's speculation, but I can see a perspective that everything went to hell because they gave up so soon, as well as one in which they dealt with an impossible situation the only way they could.  I know I wouldn't put my kids at risk to see what happened.  I also see black parents thinking that once their kids got in the good schools, the whites abandoned them and made them into crappy schools like the old segregated ones they'd left.

Another kind of interesting thing:  John said that when his mother died fifteen years ago, they sold the house he grew up in for $20,000 -- less than they paid for it fifty plus years before.  I went over there with his brother a few times and remember it being a nice brick ranch house in a good neighborhood within bicycling distance of our house.  I looked up our old house on Zillow and found that it is valued at $780,000.  John's neighborhood went black -- his mom was a holdout and was on the municipal water system.  Our neighborhood had a MUD and stayed white: the couple of white neighborhoods left in the city are ridiculously expensive.  Our old house is one of the cheapest in the subdivision.  There a many, many houses in formerly similar neighborhoods where my old friends grew up that are under $50,000.  Zillow doesn't give demographics anymore, but I'm pretty sure that the racial composition of the neighborhood changed.

[Since the white flight, when most of the white people moved to Rankin County, the city is run by militantly black politicians.  The municipal water system went to hell, the city officials blamed the state for not fixing it -- the state said it was incompetent locals, and the residents are stuck with comtaminated water.]

I can see a black person seeing this and believing it is incredible racism by whites driven crazy by hatred of black people -- and that blacks are deserviing of reparations from the white people who make land valuable just by living on it. 

 

 


06/22/23 03:39 PM #27684    

Kurt Fischer

I live in Plano, which is commonly considered to have pretty good schools.

However, there is a phenomenon in the schools which is not easily explained except by demographics.

In general, upper level schools have three programs:  Regulars, Honors and Advanced Placement.  Access to any of the three levels is voluntary and up to the student.  Of course, if you choose a harder set of classes, you are expected to do the work in order to make good grades.

It has turned out to be a self-selecting segregation of students.

Regular classes are made up mostly of Black and Latino students.  These classes are difficult to teach because of the lack of interest by the students as well as continuing classroom discipline issues.

Honors classes are made up of mostly White students with a limited number of Black and Latino students.

Advanced Placement classes are made up mainly by Asian students with a minority of White students and a limited number of Black and Latino students.

This doesn't have to be.  I'm sure all of these kids' parents moved to Plano with at least a moderate interest in their children attending quality schools.  But somehow a group of their kids have self-selected for the bottom of the education pyramid.  

I had lunch with a PISD adminstrator the other day and he indicated the district will soon have to deal with federal regulators due to the imbalance of disciplinary actions across racial groups.  This seems to mirror other categories of societal issues in which there are disparities across races.   Big issue in schools, since behaving badly is generally the cause of disciplinary actions.  The kid being quiet and following the rules doesn't get in trouble.

I've meandered, but the heart of my message is I'm disappointed in how this has turned out, especially because kids and their families had the opportunity to do better. 


06/22/23 04:20 PM #27685    

 

David Cordell

Has anyone taken a carry-on aboard American  Airlines recently? Their website indicates a maximum width of 14 inches for a carry-on, but the vast majority of carry-ons on the market seem to exceed 14 inches. I have three that are 15 inches wide. 

My queston: how strict is American Airlines with respect to carry on size? Have you had any trouble getting on the plane with a slightly oversized bag?

Not sure if it makes a difference, but this is for an international flight.

I don't want to buy a new carry-on if I don't have to, but I don't want to pay for mandatory gate-checked baggage either.

Thanks.


06/22/23 04:22 PM #27686    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Bob,

I was quickly browsing the Wikipedia article of Jackson MS.  It said that Jackson is now considered to be one of the most dangerous cities in the US, sandwiched between St. Louis and Detroit.

Also, it is said to be the "Blackest" city in the US.


06/23/23 07:28 AM #27687    

 

Bob Davidson

Janalu,
It seems to me that Jackson is a smaller Detroit or St. Louis. I have been trying to see how people can believe that reparations to black people make sense.

06/23/23 10:40 AM #27688    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Bob,

I think most logcal Americans know that reparations are ridiculous for Black Americans to ever expect.  Our country is almost broke, as are our middle class citizens, so where could reparations money even come from?  Besides that, slavery is and has always been a global problem, so has anyone seen any reparations being paid to Blacks or any other captured people anywhere in the world?

In Muslim countries slavery is the worst and is still going strong.  There is no indication that reparations will ever be paid there.   Never ever, I suspect.


06/23/23 10:46 AM #27689    

 

Wayne Gary

Bob, Janalu

When I was a Scoutmaster in Plesant Grove part of Dallas I had a mix of hispanic, white, local black and African refugees.  The local blacks were mostly from no father homes with many of them living with grandmother..  We had dispelling problems with them at a greater rate than the other kids.  We had very little problems with the African kids.  The parents were not involved with the troop because they were busy taking classes in English and citizenship.  The best form of discipline we had was "do you want us to tell your father?"  

We had one kid from Sudan that was getting bad influence from the local kids in Garland.  In Sudan the father did not disapline his kids. The tradition was to have the Uncle to disipline the child,  The problem was the Uncle lived in Arizona.  The father had to transition to the concept of having to do the dispel his own children. 


06/23/23 11:01 AM #27690    

 

Wayne Gary

Bob, Janalu,

In San Francisco there is a committee proposing reparations even though the city is broke and also A city-appointed panel also suggests guaranteed annual incomes of $97,000 for qualifying recipients and homes in San Francisco for $1 a family. 

From CNN
A committee in San Francisco has released an extensive proposal for reparations that includes a one-time payment of $5 million to each eligible Black resident.

The San Francisco African American Reparations Advisory Committee, created in 2020 under the city’s human rights commission, was tasked to develop a plan to address “the institutional, City sanctioned harm that has been inflicted upon African American communities.”   

Reparations measures have been passed in Evanston, Illinois, where eligible residents received $25,000 to put toward a down payment on a home, mortgages or home repairs, and several other cities have created reparations commissions


06/23/23 04:53 PM #27691    

 

Wayne Gary

 

I just found this poem by Audie Murph.  First published in his book "To Hell and Back" He was a hero but suffered from PTSD and fought for help for other verterans.

The Crosses Grow on Anzio

 

Oh, gather 'round me, comrades; and
listen while I speak 
Of a war, a war, a war where hell is
six feet deep.
Along the shore, the cannons roar. Oh
how can a soldier sleep?
The going's slow on Anzio. And hell is
six feet deep.

Praise be to God for this captured sod that
rich with blood does seep.
With yours and mine, like butchered
swine's; and hell is six feet deep.
That death awaits there's no debate;
no triumph will we reap.
The crosses grow on Anzio, where hell is
six feet deep.

06/24/23 08:48 AM #27692    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

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06/24/23 02:43 PM #27693    

Jan Alexander

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Fallontonight GIF by The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon


06/24/23 07:20 PM #27694    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

Jan....LOL!


06/25/23 05:27 AM #27695    

 

David Cordell


06/25/23 06:34 AM #27696    

 

David Cordell

Click here for pdf of cartoons


06/25/23 10:51 AM #27697    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

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06/25/23 12:07 PM #27698    

 

Wayne Gary

David,

I just red this tidbit about Geo Custer from the Texas State Historical Assn. He spent time in Texas.

Custer's headquarters building in Austin, the Blind Asylum, located on the "Little Campus" of the University of Texas, has been restored.

Also,

 Do you pick up Molly when she poops on your walk?


06/25/23 02:58 PM #27699    

 

David Cordell

Wayne,

Yes, I pick up Becky's mess, which often means twice on the morning walk and twice on the evening walk. I usually use newspaper bags -- I can usually make two poop bags out of one newspaper bag. However, I attached a container (shaped like a chubby bone) to the loop on Becky's leash with commericially prepared bags inside, which is handy if I forget to snag one of my newspaper bags.

Oh, what a glamorous life I lead!!


06/25/23 03:00 PM #27700    

 

David Cordell

Went to a local performance of the musical Footloose at Reperatory Company Theatre -- on Coit between Arapaho and Belt Line. (I never saw the movie.) Very enjoyable. Lots of dancing and singing by young folk.

I found myself asking (myself), "Would my high school self have wanted to date that girl?"

No! That's not pedophilia! I said my high school self! Actually, the prettiest female on the stage played the mother of the female lead. Now that I think of it, the mother is young enough to be my daughter. How did that happen??

Remember the song Unchained Melody as sung by the Righteous Brothers in 1965? There's a line that goes like this:

              "And time goes by so slowly..."

Ha! I call BS on that! It may have seemed slow back then, but from this side, the hands of the clock are spinning around at quadruple speed.


06/25/23 06:35 PM #27701    

 

Wayne Gary

David,

I was refering to the pictire in the comics where the man is standing in front of the sign with his shepherd in his arms.  You did not connect my funny question.  

I am thinking on driving to Greenville in the next 2 weeks and going to the Audie Murphy/Texas Cotton Museum.  Would you like to go?


06/26/23 05:31 AM #27702    

 

David Wier

David C:

I remember walking into the 7-11 one day (Belt Line and Coit) while I was a student at RHS. I saw a copy of Rolling Stone. Looking back on it during my life, several times I wish I'd have bought several copies of it.\

There werre pictures that an artist on staff thought that each of the Beatles would look like in the far far future (like now, from what I remember). I'm going to do a search and see if it's still available, but I doubt it.


06/26/23 07:33 AM #27703    

 

Wayne Gary

 

 


06/26/23 09:07 AM #27704    

 

Sandra Spieker (Ringo)

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06/26/23 11:08 AM #27705    

 

Bob Davidson

David W,

I remember a Life with Beatles pictures of what they'd look like at sixty-four.


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