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04/06/20 10:16 PM #17841    

 

Steve Keene

David and Hull,


04/06/20 11:55 PM #17842    

 

Steve Keene

Janalu.

Jpe Biden announced today that as opposed to Trump who doesn't care about others, he is going to begin wearing a mask in public.  It seems to me if he had adopted that strategy much sooner, he might have won a few more primaries.


04/07/20 12:30 AM #17843    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

To All,

I read this piece and thought it made a lot of sense.

Not long ago, New York Times columnist Charles Blow wrote: "It's sometimes easy to lose sight of just how anomalous, or atypical, our (America's) religiosity is in the world.  A recent Gallup report underscored just how out of line we are."

Given Blow's leftwing politics and his point being that all rich countries except for the United States are secular and that all poor countries are religious, he was obviously not making this point in order to celebrate America's "anomalous" religiosity.

He should have.  America's anomalous religiosity is very much worth celebrating -- not because it leads to affluence, but because it is indisensible to liberty.  Had Blow make a liberty chart rather than an affluence chart, he might have noted that the freest country in the world -- for 244 years -- the United States of America, has been the most God-centered.

Yes, we know that the Islamic world has also been God-based and that it has not been free.  But that is because Allah is not regarded as the source of liberty, as the America's Judeo-Christian God has been, but as the object of submission ("Islam" means "submission").

Since the inception of the United States (and, indeed, before it in colonial America), liberty, i.e., personal freedom, has been linked to God.

America was founded on the belief that God is the source of liberty.  That is why the inscription on the Liberty Bell is from the Old Testament (Leviticus 25): "Proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof."

The Declaration of Independence also asserts this link: All men "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Because the Creator of the world is the source of our freedom, no state, no human being, no government may take it away.  If the state were the source of liberty, then obviously the state could take it away.

Both reason and American values therefore make these claims:

1.  The more important the state is, the less the liberty.

2.  The more important God is, the smaller the state.

3.  Therefore, the more important God is, the more liberty there is.

A proof of the validity of these assertions is that as this country -- the country, not the government -- becomes more secular, it becomes less free, just as has happened in other Western countries.  We have far more laws governing human conduct than ever before in America's history.  And Western Europe has even more, including limitations on as basic a liberty as free speech.

So too, every totalitarian state except Muslim ones (because a religious government is the Muslim ideal) seeks to abolish religion.  Stalin, for example, murdered virtually every member of the clergy, and came close to destroying all religion, in the Soviet Union.  He understood that a totalitarian state cannot allow a competing allegiance.

And in democratic Western Europe, the ever-expanding state is inevitably accompanied by an ever shrinking God and religion.

This is largely what the current culture war, which is actually a non-violent civil war, is about.  The left seeks an ever-expanding state with, by definition, ever-expanding powers.  And a fundamental aspect of that program is the removal of God and religion from as much of American life as possible.  This is pursued under the noble-sounding goal of ensuring "separation of church and state."  But whatever the avowed aim, the result is the same: secularize as much of society as possible, its institutions and, most importantly, its values.

And recently, commensurate with the removal of God from American society, the most leftwing government (the Obama administration) in American history, expanded state powers to an unprecedented degree.

That leftwing party passed -- more accurately imposed, since it did so without a single vote from the opposition party -- legislation that massively expanded state powers, and it governed more and more of Americans' lives without passing any legislation, but rather by executing executive actions, and subverting Congress. (Remember the DACA program?)

It was inevitable.

From its inception, the left has regarded God and religion (especially the Judeo-Christian varieties) as impediments to its goals: "Trust in Us!" ('aka' the Leftwing intellectuals) has supplanted "In God We Trust."  And so, God-based liberty gives way to state-based controls.

Whichever side you are on, at least you can now better understand why the conservatives are fighting.  For liberty's sake, not just for God's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


04/07/20 12:53 AM #17844    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Steve,

You mean if he (Biden) had worn an Obama mask?

I think you're correct!


04/07/20 02:27 AM #17845    

 

Steve Keene

Janalu,

I was implying that if Biden wore a mask, he would not have made all the gaffs that showed how senile an unhinged he is.  Great essay by the way.  Ms Alsup would have made you read that to the class.


04/07/20 09:46 AM #17846    

 

Wayne Gary

Janalu,

Good post.  How about putting it on Tommy's page.  I don't think it will change any of his views because it appears that he thinks he knows everything and anyone that has a different view  is stupid. As a Psycologist he does not realize how arrogant he is.


04/07/20 10:52 AM #17847    

 

Ron Knight

Top 10 thoughts; Are You Feeling Confined?

I received these from our good friend and RHS classmate, Eddie Norman.

10) Kinda starting to understand why pets try to run out of the house when the door opens.

9) If you keep a glass of wine in each hand, you can't accidentally touch your face.

8) This cleaning with alcohol is total B.S. Nothing gets done after the first bottle.

7) Does anyone know if we can take showers yet? Or should we just keep washing our hands?

6) I'm so excited. It's time to take out the garbage.I wonder what I should wear?

5) You think it's bad now? In 20 years our country will be run by people home schooled by day drinkers.

4) Day 7 at home and the dog is looking at me like, "See? This is why I chew the furniture."

3) I swear I heard my fridge say, "What the hell do you want now?"

2) Coronavirus has turned us all into dogs. We roam the the house looking for food. We're told "no" if we get too close to strangers. And we get really excited about car rides.

And the # 1 TOP thought)

I'm giving up drinking for a month! Oops, sorry. Bad punctuation. I'm giving up. Drinking for a month!

 


04/07/20 11:26 AM #17848    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Wayne,

I gave up on Tommy, because like you say, he is arrogant and is a typical liberal; averse to listening to the truth he learned in his earlier years, yet rejects now.

He follows the Bill Maher crowd and agrees with them, for the most part.  They are chasing the utopian dream that doesn't exist.

 


04/07/20 11:35 AM #17849    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Steve,

I knew you were talking about a face mask used during these Covid-19 times, but I was joking with you about him wearing an Obama mask, since I know that if he did wear an Obama mask, the crowds would cheer him and sycophantically follow his every word and action all the way to the voting booths, as we saw them do a few yrs. ago.  Biden would still be making his gaffs and having his memory lapses, but that wouldn't matter to the followers.  They would still follow him as he played his Pied Piper pipe all the way into the sea.


04/07/20 02:03 PM #17850    

 

Steve Keene

Janalu,

Duh.  I get it now.

The crazy thing now is Tommy invited Royce's brother to join the group.  He and Royce are cut out of the same cloth.  I feel like I am arguing with my dead friend


04/07/20 02:26 PM #17851    

 

David Cordell

Steve -- I can only assume that you enjoy arguing with people whose opinions you will never change. Good luck with that!


04/07/20 02:31 PM #17852    

 

Hollis Carolyn Heyn

Pretty political here. Thought that was forbidden.

04/07/20 03:27 PM #17853    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Steve,

Yeah I noticed that too right after he joined.  As David said, it's a waste of time to try to make a point over there.

If you are conservative and have a belief in God, they will barely even glance at your post, as they are totally against it all.  Most of them are atheists or agnostics, and politically leftists or progressives.  They think conservatives are dim, uneducated, placated by our Bible's idiotic (as to their understanding) teachings and pastorally naive.

They are enlightened, dontcha' know!

 

 


04/07/20 03:52 PM #17854    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

I am watching, as I type this, two of the cutest little birds outside my window, as they work so diligently, building a nest inside a little bird house we hung from the ceiling of our patio.  They have boundless energy, especially the female.  She seems to be in a frantic mode, while her mate sings up a storm on the roof.

Isn't that always the way, ladies?  We frantically prepare the Thanksgiving meal accoutrements ahead of time, then mop the floor and dust the shelves, while the guys sit in front of the TV watching football or sports analysts, lifting their feet as we run the vacuum under their socks or flip-flops.

 

 


04/07/20 05:51 PM #17855    

 

Hollis Carolyn Heyn

Janalu: I'm not an atheist or agnostic. I'm not an evangelical or fundamentalist Christian. Or "born again". I'm a Christian. An Episcopalian. Also appreciate my UU childhood experience.

04/07/20 08:15 PM #17856    

 

Wayne Gary

David

If you missed it on Sunday night KERA had an interesting docudrama "The Windermere Children" about 300 holocost suvivors age 3 to 15 that were brought to England in Aug of 45 to be helped to move into a normal life. The  KERA Passport also has a documentary  The Windermere Children: In their Own Words". This goes along with the presentation we went to at UTD. I found both to be very good.

https://video.kera.org/video/preview-yqhjxx/


04/07/20 10:01 PM #17857    

 

David Cordell

Thanks, Wayne. I will check it out.


04/07/20 11:31 PM #17858    

 

Janalu Jeanes (Parchman)

Hollis,

If you re-read my post you will see that I said, "most of them."

I meant no insult to any of them or to you, since, as you know, most of them readily admit to their beliefs.  They are rather proud of what their beliefs are, and so I felt at ease saying what I did.  They have made their choice in life, and so it goes.  I felt from a very early age that making that particular choice was very, very important, since it has always been my belief that THAT is the main reason we are here on this planet; to be tested, by our Heavenly Father, after living here with many chances to decide, and offerings of instruction, to decide....to believe in Him or not.  He desires that we have complete freedom in our choice.  I know that there are people who disagree with that belief of mine, and that's okay with me.

Would you explain to me the tenets of the Unitarian Church or the Unity Universalist's Church?  Is one of those the correct name of the church you attended?  As you can tell, I know almost nothing about either of those churches, or are they related to each other?  

 I knew of one lady who lived on Lockwood Dr. in Richardson who attended a Unitarian Church in north Dallas, and I heard from her, one time, that she liked their lectures each Sunday.  She said they talked about a variety of subjects pertaining to all sorts of things.  That's all I ever heard about that church.  It sounded like they offered interesting topics, but I didn't hear her speak of anything related to God or Jesus on that day I talked with her.  Maybe that was just because I spoke to her briefly, so she didn't go to any indepth explanation.  She was a lady who had grown up in Hawaii, and had lived an unusual life as an only child, with parents who were also unusual in their living habits and philosophy of life.

I haven't known any other person who attended a Unitarian Church, so I've often wondered what exactly their beliefs are.

By the way, I don't consider myself to be evangelical or fundamentalist either.  When I was growing up, it seemed to me that the evangelical Christians were the people in the "backwoods areas of Appalachia or other remote areas, where they had beliefs that were extreme, 'far-fetched,' and sometimes they even used snakes in their services, in a nonsensical way, which I thought was ridiculous.  Therefore, I didn't identify with them at all.  I don't necessarily believe I am fundamentalist either, since I believe in evolution.

To be "born again," as I understand it, is to ask the Holy Spirit to come within you, or come into your life, and be with you at all times, as you strive to be Christian each day, with all of the challenges you will face.  That's all it means.  It can happen in your bedroom with no one else around, and it can be very private...just a sincere bond between you and God after you have asked to be forgiven of all your failings.  That's the way I have done it for myself.  I hope I am correct about that.

Like you, I just consider myself to be Christian.  Plain and simple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


04/08/20 09:08 AM #17859    

 

David Cordell

There was a bit on The Simpsons a few years ago that I thought I mentioned a while back, but I can't find it. This is a rough version.

The Simpsons go into an ice cream store that has ice cream varieties that are identified by religion. When asked, the counter attendant makes a couple of clever comments that describe the specific type of ice cream and how it relates to the religion identified. 

Homer orders a cone of the Unitarian ice cream, which hadn't been identified. The counter person gives him a cone that appears not to have any ice cream. 

Lisa: "Hey, there's nothing there!!"

Homer: "EXACTLY!"


04/08/20 10:06 AM #17860    

Jan Alexander

I can see everyone is dealing well with quarantine. 

 


04/08/20 10:13 AM #17861    

Jan Alexander

Save us all .....

And take a moment , breathe . angel and be respectful of our differences. 


04/08/20 10:31 AM #17862    

 

David Cordell

I received a request not to use the term "lurker", so I will refrain. But...a non-posting reader (NPR??) sent me a clip that proves that my memory is not, umm, always precise. I hope this link works before it is taken down.




04/08/20 12:13 PM #17863    

 

Steve Keene

David and Hull.

The oil business is so bad.  I went to the mailbox this morning and had a predeclined credit card application in the mail.


04/08/20 04:42 PM #17864    

 

Lowell Tuttle

David.

The word for lurkers is "reticents"


04/08/20 04:45 PM #17865    

 

David Cordell

Here are a couple of songs that were popular and that mention Jesus. Can you list some others that are spiritual/religious and that hit the charts?

Also, I have plugged Marc Martel several times. He has several playlists of Christmas/Christian songs. Not sure if you have to subscribe to his YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/user/cramletram






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